regretsresin
11 hours ago
Kind of a shitty choice. Like, I'm very much sex positive, but not everyone wants to see porn.
And you might say, "Not everyone wants to see ads!" And totally agree! But like, the people who have to look at this eyesore now have to deal with a different eyesore.
Why not, "This garbage ad remived from your view by hacking group X, you're welcome" and show some pet photos or something? Or like, get clever with it? Run onion or infowars style satire.
psdndown
11 hours ago
Some societies need a good turning upside down.
Egypt is one of them. There is value in most of the value being in the shock value. Egypt has already done the sorts of things you suggest. It doesn't work. Putting up porn actually makes a lot of sense from a decision matrix perspective here. First of all despite the pretense otherwise Egyptians watch a lot of porn (like most countries). It's sort of a great "in your face" mirror to a country rife with hypocrisy.
It's not like the authorities give much breathing room for more nuanced protest anyway. They're already in for a very unwelcome visit to the slammer if they are caught. Might as well go as transgressive as possible while you still can.
Freak_NL
11 hours ago
If the goal is to get companies to get their security in order, than showing porn is certainly one of the most effective ways. It'll put political pressure on the company that owns the billboards, for one.
Show a cute picture of Big Bird telling people to eat more pizza, and the company will just reset some passwords. Show a couple of choice scenes from Brazzers and the CEO just got a call from a government minister and suddenly the leaky hardware is getting replaced at breakneck speeds.
Works well too if the goal is just to get people to object to digital billboards.
ryandrake
10 hours ago
Yea, it's harmless, and a criticism of digital billboards, and it can't be swept under the rug by the billboard companies as if it didn't happen. Really great stunt!
nbajka
10 hours ago
Showing porn to kids is harmless? Come on, let's get serious here.
ryandrake
10 hours ago
Contrary to what the religious warriors claim, I can assure you nobody's head is going to explode, nobody is going to get cancer, and nobody is going to suffer psychological damage by briefly riding past these billboards. Truly, let's get serious here.
nbajka
9 hours ago
Yes, I’m being serious, which is why I think showing porn to kids, even if it’s a few seconds, is really bad.
NietzscheanNull
8 hours ago
Genuinely curious, as someone who was exposed to porn on several occasions as a kid (with seemingly no negative long-term consequences): what makes you think it's "really bad"?
camcil
8 hours ago
You're kidding, right? Am I seeing correctly that there are multiple people on HN actively arguing against children seeing porn being a bad thing?
user
6 hours ago
yubblegum
6 hours ago
He did self diagnose as "with seemingly no negative long-term consequences".
rconti
5 hours ago
It's like the kid hearing someone yell "fuck" at a ballgame. Just because most people in the culture might agree it's not particularly age-appropriate doesn't mean the kid's ruined.
There's a huge difference between regular exposure via neglectful or abusive parents and "oops I saw a thing". More than a few kids have "walked in" on their parents too, I assure you.
whoanoway
an hour ago
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yubblegum
6 hours ago
Watching porn at home and not wanting to see it in public space does not make one a 'hypcrite'.
> Might as well go as transgressive as possible while you still can.
This only computes in the mind of an national adversary that wants to see a society in chaos. No one in their right mind would want to "trangress" against their own society because of some political goal. Those that do are iirc are technically in the terrorist quadrant of 'protest'.
za3faran
33 minutes ago
Who gave you the right to decide that Egypt needs turning upside down? It seems that some people in the west cannot leave the rest of the world alone without trying to impose their values (which the rest of the world looks down upon) on others.
user
11 hours ago
thinkingtoilet
11 hours ago
Under no circumstances is it ok to show porn in a public setting. I say this as someone who very much enjoys porn.
gazpachotron
10 hours ago
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excannuk
10 hours ago
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IncreasePosts
11 hours ago
Porn in the Arab world is probably going to turn already misogynistic men even more down that path. First, perhaps they can try to view women besides their mothers as humans, then we can work forward from there
Freak_NL
11 hours ago
Are a few clips or screenshots shown on billboards going to influence people to that extent?
IncreasePosts
10 hours ago
I'm responding to OP who is saying exposing randos in Egypt to porn is a good thing and will turn their society upside down
bongoman42
10 hours ago
You have a very heteronormative view of porn. Plenty of Arab women also enjoy porn and the origin of misogyny in Arab society is way older than any kind of modern porn.
IncreasePosts
10 hours ago
Where in my post did I say that Arab women don't enjoy porn?
My point is that many Arab men wont have a single meaningful interaction with a woman outside their family this year. Presenting women as sex objects to those men isn't going to have great effects. Similar to incels and porn.
za3faran
30 minutes ago
> My point is that many Arab men wont have a single meaningful interaction with a woman outside their family this year
And you got this information from where, western media? Even if, how is it a negative thing?
> Presenting women as sex objects to those men isn't going to have great effects
Incidentally, western liberal capitalistic systems are the ones presenting women as sex objects in ads and the like. Where as they are preserved in the conservative culture in Islamic countries.
TFNA
7 hours ago
Men in the Arab world are already porn consumers and have been for decades. I hitchhiked around Egypt for a few weeks in 2009, and men would occasionally show off short porn vids on their Nokias or iPods. Internet cafes in the whole region would, upon request, give customers the details for connecting to a proxy to access forbidden content.
Fast forward to now, and the big porn video sites have content expressly tailored to the Arab world. Everyone has smartphones, and everybody finds some alone time to wank.
giantg2
11 hours ago
Generally agree. However, I wonder if their intent was to draw attention to women's rights, or antagonize people regarding women's rights, in those nations. Porn was the wrong choice. Instead of pet photos, they could have shown women in positions of power and not wearing tradional clothes.
pitched
11 hours ago
This has to be either activists or trolls and my bet is on trolls. Aiming to cause the most damage for lols.
zahrevsky
11 hours ago
I guess this is done simply to grab as much of people's attention as possible. And I mean all groups of people:
– for observers on the road, make them more likely to film this and share on social media;
– for news agencies, make them allocate as much coverage as possible for this incident;
– for regular readers, simply to more likely grab theirs attention.
rconti
10 hours ago
This is hilarious and harmless. Who cares?
I find it far more offensive that you wouldn't even be able to post this headline without self-censoring in the major social media apps for fear of The Algorithm. How far the internet has fallen.
rafram
10 hours ago
It’s objectively not harmless, and clearly lots of people care.
user
8 hours ago
pretzellogician
10 hours ago
Subjectively, yes. Not sure about objectively.
za3faran
29 minutes ago
Subjectively, porn has been shown to cause lots of dangerous effects.
user
10 hours ago
user
9 hours ago
skissane
10 hours ago
> This is hilarious and harmless. Who cares?
Our daughter is 8. As her father, I’d rather she not be exposed to pornography, and I know my wife would agree with me on that. Of course, she’s sure to somehow be introduced to it eventually, but I hope not until she’s significantly older.
user
5 hours ago
aussiethebob
8 hours ago
If I lived in a middle eastern nation, worrying about my daughter seeing a few seconds of porn would be so far down the list of worries I have for her that it wouldn't even register.
skissane
7 hours ago
I’m not in the Middle East, but I don’t think the question of the appropriateness of displaying pornography in public places is country-dependent.
rconti
5 hours ago
There's a huge difference between "appropriate" vs "harmful".
skissane
5 hours ago
How do you define "harm"? I think there are reasonable definitions by which it would be considered "harm".
Many jurisdictions worldwide criminalise exposing people to pornography without their consent – see for example, Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 section 6 [0] – and especially doing it to minors. Criminalising doing something to someone without their consent constitutes an official judgement that such an act is harmful.
excannuk
9 hours ago
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ericmay
10 hours ago
> And you might say, "Not everyone wants to see ads!" And totally agree! But like, the people who have to look at this eyesore now have to deal with a different eyesore.
That’s why across the world we should ban blanket advertisements like these. They’re a dumb eyesore.
Porn just exposes what is obviously annoying. But advertisements themselves are a sort of mind-virus you can’t opt out of. I can choose to not buy cable TV. I can’t (reasonably) choose to not walk outside in the public space.
sellmesoap
10 hours ago
Walk softly and carry a big EMI interference device! I'm waiting for the sci-fi utopia where the AI AR glasses replace all the physical ads with something nicer, ublock: eyes
exe34
11 hours ago
It's all about consent, isn't it, we don't consent to advertising in every public space and yet we can't get away from it.
kelseyfrog
11 hours ago
For it to work it has to be unpleasant. In fact, the more unpleasant it is, the more it works. It has to be more unpleasant than making the decision to remove the billboards altogether.
Showing a nice animal or a 'you're welcome' message achieves the goal of removing the ad, but falls short of fixing the root of the problem: the billboard existing. As long as it exists, the temptation and incentive to put ads on it also exists.