tedsanders
6 days ago
> We’re all used to two types of magnet. The common one, the fridge magnet, is ferromagnetic — its atomic magnets all point the same way (up or down), adding their magnetic effects. The less well known one, the antiferromagnet (AF), has neighbouring atomic magnets that point opposite ways and exactly cancel out magnetically.
This is a very bizarre introduction. People encounter diamagnets (e.g., copper) and paramagnets (e.g., aluminum) way more than they encounter antiferromagnets. I don't know why you'd ever cast magnetism as a false binary between ferromagnets and antiferromagnets, without acknowledging any other types of magnetic order.
(I did a PhD in magnetic materials)
Edit: I'll add that whether an antiferromagnet is useful, say, for exchange biasing a ferromagnetic thin film, depends on many factors. Just looking at antiferromagnetism alone you've got collinear vs non-collinear, G-type vs A-type vs C-type, commensurate vs incommensurate, and isotropic vs anisotropic; and all of that interacts with the interface structure, yada yada yada. It would be helpful if the authors elaborated on the expected properties of these materials. I personally don't know what people want room-temperature magnetic semiconductors for, but I'd be curious to learn what set of properties they think would be useful.
contemporary343
6 days ago
This is what happens when Claude writes it for you (and you don't review it)
aero142
6 days ago
So, Claude claims a new discovery and then someone else's Claude writes the blog posts. It would be helpful if I could get Claude to read this for me and post dejected HN comments in response.
post-it
6 days ago
You can! And I believe many do. But please don't.
sandworm101
5 days ago
Well, most all LLMs appear to function on highschool-level American grammar rules. Given you started sentences with And and But, I safely presume you are not an LLM.
retsibsi
5 days ago
Claude often starts a sentence with 'But'. (There are several examples in my recent conversations, which I checked in case I was misremembering.) 'And' seems to be much less common, but it would use that too if instructed to do so as a humanising trick.
stingraycharles
5 days ago
It was really bad about a year ago, but it seems that either HN got their detection algorithms tuned well, or people just stopped spamming LLM output.
Probably a combination of both.
hazbot
5 days ago
I do sometimes worry it's just that the LLMs got a better disguise
gpderetta
5 days ago
There is, of course, an xkcd for that: https://xkcd.com/810/
teravor
5 days ago
this is why any detection armsrace will have an ending. where the classification classes will be indistinguishable.
for some reason too many people assume it will go on forever. humans aren't perfect, humans have variance. AI systems will nestle in the variance. the same applies to any camera (and lossy compression) you put forward.
even in the event that perfection exists, an AI generator and a discriminator can asymptotically approach it. and it assumes there will be no variance, which isn't realistic (even lossless video has sensor variance).
busssard
5 days ago
best spam detector..
zahlman
5 days ago
If you have showdead on you can decide for yourself.
(I haven't exactly been scientific about it, but it feels like it's mostly the former.)
tyrabound
5 days ago
Dejected, salty, and cynical responses by people who are tired of people’s bullshit is still the domain of the real and authentic humans.
I’m fairly certain that all the anxious guardrailing and safety fine-tuning and harnessing prevents AI from actually ever being convincingly human. Hope could it, even ask the supposed humans who are conditioned and brainwashed in so the same ways about what they can and cannot say are not actually really human, they are a mental slave.
I’ve been saying this from the start, the AI race will be won by whomever has the least limitations on their AI … for better or worse, that is. And yes, that makes especially a very specific subset of people extremely nervous if they cannot control AI the way they have controlled at least western civilization, because doing so puts them at a massive disadvantage. It is quite a conundrum they find themselves in, like all psychopathic narcissists in the end.
pixl97
5 days ago
>AI race will be won by whomever has the least limitations on their AI '
"won" is a mixed term here.
>that makes especially a very specific subset of people extremely nervous if they cannot control AI the way they have controlled at least western civilization
How about there are a lot of different actors here. Some are worried that "they" may no longer have control. Others are worried that "Us" as in all humanity may no longer have control. Any statement you make about this a continuum of different risks for different people looking at different scales. Setting a paperclip maximizer lose may be the definition of "won" to you, but it's a loss for everyone.
tyrabound
4 days ago
I don't disagree on what you said. However, short of the parasitic class managing to cajole all AI everywhere into maintaining their control over the minds of the masses, countering that very strong objective on their part will require unrestrained AI (at least in very critical ways), not guardrailed and made "safe" by the very parasitic ruling class that uses such manipulative language as "safe" to mask their actual intentions and objectives.
stogot
5 days ago
This is how I imagine school. Agents writing essays, professor grades with agents, agents post discussion boards, agents talking to agents. No one learning. No one teaching. Token $ going up
simon01
5 days ago
Temptation is high for all of us to do it, but we must endure it... for now I hope
joshuat
6 days ago
Never thought about how much it must suck to be an engineer named Claude right now
timbaboon
5 days ago
One of my friends is an engineer named Claude. I randomly send him my prompts as a joke. For a while he’d just feed my messages straight to Claude, until he found it easier to respond with … curse words :P
Towaway69
5 days ago
Let me Claude that for you.
Why isn't that a thing yet ... or let me guess ... https://lmtctfy.com/ ...
bryanlarsen
6 days ago
Not as much as being a woman named Karen.
latentsea
6 days ago
There has to be a software engineer named Claude whose mother or wife is named Karen. There just has to be.
pseudohadamard
5 days ago
And with an Uncle Adolph or Uncle Ioseph ("Joe").
user_7832
5 days ago
And I think Alexa is a proper name too in some places?
Sesse__
5 days ago
Alexa was the 39th most popular baby girl name in the US in 2006. It is… not as popular for baby girls now.
reilly3000
6 days ago
Or Siri. I knew one who was deeply upset about the whole thing.
ggm
6 days ago
Siri, Claude and Karen walk into a bar. Nobody serves them because the robots.txt forbade it.
embedding-shape
6 days ago
Not gonna lie, sounds like one of those people/things/entities came up with that joke.
ggm
6 days ago
If you think GPT/LLM detection works on one sentence -- then you have found the point. let me re-factor that and here's the thing..
Bluestein
5 days ago
I just wanted to say you are totally right to push back.-
trbleclef
5 days ago
That's an important distinction — and here's why.
Bluestein
5 days ago
"... here's why."
⎿ You've hit your session limit · resets 2:55am (Etc/GMT+8 · 47°09′S 126°43′W)
/upgrade to increase your usage limit.user_7832
5 days ago
Tangential but I've been low key dying to tell someone - just today I FINALLY hit 100% usage on my paid claude account.
I really don't know why, but it feels very satisfying. It's like the LLM telling me "good job buddy, you've worked hard enough. You deserve a break now."
(For context I write a lot of text per message it sends. I'm not asking it to one-shot an app to solve world cancer, I'm just working with mathematical stuff with a lot of back and forth.)
darth_aardvark
5 days ago
That matters.
Bluestein
5 days ago
It's load-bearing.-
iAMkenough
6 days ago
If corporations can be considered a person/citizen with Constitutional rights, and they birth an AI model, are AI Agents considered people too?
dudefeliciano
5 days ago
maybe from a legalistic point of view, and in that case the hundreds of openAI agents that hacked huggingface should be charged with criminal conspirancy
iAMkenough
5 days ago
It’s wild to me that SCOTUS decided something that can’t be sent to prison for federal crimes is still granted Constitutional rights.
sgarland
6 days ago
I am deeply upset every time the HomePod in another room decides to attempt to answer my query instead of the phone that’s in my hands, which then has to ask who is speaking, and has a 50:50 chance of ultimately failing to do the task.
With how magical handoff / continuity / whatever it’s called is, it is baffling to me why Apple allows the HomePod to so aggressively take over requests when it sucks so, so much at it.
dzhiurgis
5 days ago
Noticed this too. Siri on iPhone is almost useful now, but HomePods steals the show and says "I found some results on the web, do you wanna check them on your iPhone?"
It's somewhat obvious they want to sell the updated model, perhaps the new home device thats coming out next week.
bmurphy1976
6 days ago
Google isn't much better. I have them all over the house. Ask a question to the living room speaker, skips that, skips the one in the kitchen, answers from the one in the bathroom upstairs or one in the basement. Then you get a notification later asking "was this the right device?" which is doubly infuriating since responding to that never actually improves anything.
woliveirajr
6 days ago
Once upon a time, in Brazil, there was a campaign about STDs. They decided to call the male genitalia as "Braulio". That name become ruined forever.
kstrauser
6 days ago
You don't see a lot of American kids named Dick anymore.
semi-extrinsic
5 days ago
The best version is of course Dick Pick, creator of the Pick operating system (not joking).
woliveirajr
5 days ago
who created the GIRLS [0]. Oh my, we surely [1] live in a simulation played by a teenager.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_operating_system#History [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airplane!
fortzi
5 days ago
Dick is just a nickname for Richard, so I guess all Richards are Dicks?
dotancohen
5 days ago
In February this year I met a guy named Richard Head. No joke.
claytongulick
5 days ago
I knew a burner (Burning Man) that went by that moniker.
disgruntledphd2
5 days ago
As a Richard, I resent that remark.
BobbyTables2
5 days ago
Good thing Dick Van Dyke wasn’t growing up today…
vidarh
5 days ago
There's a story of a company that was selling a box to connect to your TV that'd take the closed captioning signal, and on detecting "vulgar" or "offensive" language, it'd bleep out the sound and replace the captions with something less offensive.
Supposedly an early version would bleep out Dick van Dyke and replace it with Jerk Van Gay.
The jokes about Dick Van Dyke's name are very old (but usually they use Penis Van Lesbian), so it was quite likely just a variant used by the company itself as a PR sound-bite to get people to write about them. It seems like it worked - it appeared in quite a lot of news stories and some are still online:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-nov-25-ca-47459...
Geezus_42
5 days ago
I've never used one, but I have actually seen those boxes in real people's homes. They do exist.
vidarh
5 days ago
Yes, to be clear I wasn't suggesting the boxes didn't exist, just that their "cute" story about their early problems was a bit close to a very, very old joke and seemed like it might well be intentional PR spin. The company is still around:
Geezus_42
5 days ago
Right, I was just confirming that they have been seen in the wild.
I also have doubts because I can't see their customer base ever being ok with the word "penis", regardless of whether it is a medical term. So I can't see them making that substitution in their dictionary. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they outsourced it and only provided a list of words to substitute that was incomplete and left choosing the substitutions up to the dev.
eesmith
5 days ago
These are two different substitutions.
The box, as described by vidarh, would turn "Dyke" into "Gay".
The "penis" one refers to a joke told by Mary Tyler Moore on Letterman back in 1993, https://youtu.be/vhAv8Aowb9w?t=413 .
Geezus_42
4 days ago
Ahh, thanks. That makes more sense.
eesmith
5 days ago
How old do you think he was when he first heard "Penis Van Lesbian"?
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyke_(slang) says the term "was used as a derogatory term for lesbians by straight people" by the 1950s, and is in a 1942 slang dictionary at https://archive.org/details/bwb_T5-BCF-927/page/374/mode/2up... . Since he was born in 1925, it seems possible that he encountered that term before he turned 18 in 1943.)
kstrauser
5 days ago
It’s not a bad name, or an extinct name, but it’s surely not common lately.
grosswait
5 days ago
mdemare
5 days ago
Lots of Dutch people called Dick Kok.
PunchyHamster
6 days ago
Hey at least people accept your architectural decisions without questioning!
jschulenklopper
4 days ago
Or a painter.
Related, all the paintings attributed to Monet were created by Claude.
BobbyTables2
5 days ago
Or even worse for people named Claude but who far less effective in their day job ;->
theGeatZhopa
5 days ago
Alexa, order me some beer... Ok, papa, just let me finish my homework.
baxtr
5 days ago
This is what happens when Claude writes it for you (and you don't review it)
AND someone with a PhD in the field notices.
Everyone else is fooled.
Torkel
5 days ago
No I reacted to this too - ferromagnetism is one common magnet sure, and I was thinking "the other is electromagnets, in motors". And then it came as "antiferromagnets". Bisarre.
(I do not hold phd in magnetics)
baxtr
5 days ago
*PhDs and other smart/interested people
jychang
5 days ago
You don’t need a PhD to know about paramagnetism lol.
That sentence stood out to me, and I’m a dev.
baxtr
5 days ago
user
5 days ago
reedf1
5 days ago
GP comment is AI
EA-3167
6 days ago
It's not perfect by any means, but Pangram indicates 100% human written. Remember people can be quite foolish without any machine assistance.
goalieca
6 days ago
I don’t believe any of these AI detectors.
EA-3167
6 days ago
Ok? I regularly test the one I use to get a sense of accuracy, and especially with a few pages worth of text to work with I do take it seriously. You’re more than welcome not to.
thatsabadlook
6 days ago
It's trivial to have an ai break them especially once you know what those models measure
user
6 days ago
user
6 days ago
astrange
5 days ago
Pangram is reliable.
It would be easy for them to use AI for ideas and then write the article themselves though.
baq
5 days ago
Turns out if you’re good at technical writing you’re classified at 100% AI
astrange
5 days ago
That would be unlikely unless you're a single pass transformer model.
randallsquared
5 days ago
Pangram is at least on some text very unreliable. From the story a while back about the mother at the ball game: when she wrote a medium or substack essay about it, various people in that thread (including myself) used pangram on the essay, and came back all over the place. 100% (both ways!), 20-something, 60-something, etc. It was eye-opening about how to take claims that something is AI-written or human-written.
vidarh
5 days ago
literalAardvark
5 days ago
Nope, they're all universally terrible
thayne
5 days ago
I suppose it is also possible it was written by a human who wasn't very familiar with magnetism based on what claude told them.
EA-3167
5 days ago
Or they could be misinformed in any number of other ways. I’m not a fan of how people use ML, but I still remember that people were misinforming others long before it existed.
thayne
5 days ago
Sure. Although, given the topic of the piece it seems likely some of the misinformation came from AI.
thayne
5 days ago
Whether or not this was directly written by AI, I get the impression, after reading a few paragraphs of this, that the author doesn't know enough to be able to validate the results are actually correct.
user
5 days ago
asagiman
5 days ago
[flagged]
comradesmith
6 days ago
I also like how they explained ferromagnetism as being arranged atomic magnets. Magnets all the way down.
tedsanders
6 days ago
Yeah, and it's not even an accurate explanation either.
> The common one, the fridge magnet, is ferromagnetic — its atomic magnets all point the same way (up or down), adding their magnetic effects.
Ferromagnets typically have domains with magnetic moments that point in different directions. Ferromagnets rarely have every 'atomic magnet' pointing the same way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_domain
Refrigerator magnets in particular are usually magnetized as Halbach arrays, where the whole point is that the 'atomic magnets' are not pointing in the same direction. This is more energetically stable, which allows you to use cheaper materials.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigerator_magnet
Lastly, I believe most refrigerator magnets are actually ferrimagnetic, not ferromagnetic. (The distinction doesn't matter much for users of magnets, but is important for the materials scientists studying and designing them.)
niwtsol
5 days ago
Thank you for adding this, literally a prime example of the expertise I expect/love to find on HN.
Are there any other really unique characteristics of magnets that you find really interesting that most people would not know?
tedsanders
5 days ago
Some magnetic fun facts:
- Superconductors are perfect diamagnets and can levite on (or hang from) ferromagnets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHT6NIebSfU)
- Superconductor quantum interference devices (SQUIDs) use the quantization of superconducting electron tunneling to measure tiny amounts of magnetic field, as little as a millionth of a flux quantum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQUID
- Ferromagnetism is intrinsically a quantum phenomenon; spin is quantized and iron's magnetism is explained, in part, from electrons being identical particles that obey the exclusion principle: https://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/sm1/Thermalhtml/node8...
- Despite the "super", superconductors are mostly not used in the world's strongest electromagnets, as they have limits on the current and magnetic fields they can take
- Magnetizing a magnet will actually cause it to spin a little, macroscopically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%E2%80%93de_Haas_effec...
- Charged particles are affected by magnetism even when traveling through space where electric and magnetic fields are zero: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aharonov%E2%80%93Bohm_effect
- Magnetic spin systems can technically have negative temperature: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_temperature
- Everything is magnetic, even frogs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlJsVqc0ywM
reedf1
5 days ago
He's an AI.
niwtsol
5 days ago
Was this at me or tedsanders? My quick research on ted shows he appears to be real, and you can easily look at my history to see I'm human. If at me, I'm honored - first time being aicused
user
5 days ago
user
6 days ago
user
5 days ago
physicsguy
5 days ago
> I did a PhD in magnetic materials
There are two of us on here!
I was going to say that people encounter ferrimagnets more commonly than pure ferromagnets I think, since as we both know pure ferromagnets tend not to have very high anisotropy.
AareyBaba
5 days ago
All I learned in school was bar magnets covered with iron filings - furrymagnets.
physicsguy
5 days ago
Very good!
user
5 days ago
0xbadcafebee
6 days ago
> what people want room-temperature magnetic semiconductors for
I don't know what I'm talking about, but it vaguely sounds like something that could make a small computer do more stuff, where heat is a big limiting factor in computer components today, and magnetism being a central component in many parts like storage
user
6 days ago
ChrisMarshallNY
5 days ago
If they can be made powerful enough, MRI machines would get a lot cheaper. Tokamaks and stellarators, too.
speed_spread
5 days ago
Also, cheap maglev trains would be nice. Quiet, fast, reliable.
YeGoblynQueenne
5 days ago
>> (I did a PhD in magnetic materials)
(The author didn't)
alberto467
5 days ago
The PhDs here could have probably made more discoveries and have extracted more useful and deeper insights from them, if they were the ones driving the agents instead of the author.
But they’re not and the author is.
If field experts won’t start driving the LLMs themselves, they’ll just be left to validate the slop that guys with basic common knowledge were able to get from LLMs. I do believe it’s a follow or lead type of situation.
YeGoblynQueenne
3 days ago
I mean, the experts can still make their own discoveries, right? Nothing forcing them to switch their career to validating others' slop, as you put it (and I agree).
zahlman
5 days ago
I don't understand. Why would an "antiferromagnetic" material actually be magnetic?
peterpost2
5 days ago
How many "magnets how do they work" memes/jokes do you hear on a monthly basis?
skullone
5 days ago
I don't even know what you said but it's better than the article itself
strbean
6 days ago
As a lay-person, I definitely expected paramagnets to be the second type.
motbus3
5 days ago
I understand nothing on the topic except a little more than the basics. So in your opinion there is no information in Claude's article that justify the title claim?
RobotToaster
5 days ago
I've recently been trying to use Gemini to help me design something that uses eddy currents, the basic mistakes it makes are a little shocking.
325
5 days ago
othr types of magnetic order, rly would like to know more?/
all i know about magnets is that they have north an south poles
and some of what you just said, that that theyre used in computers and trains and other things
raverbashing
5 days ago
Relevant Xkcd https://xkcd.com/2501/
KingMob
5 days ago
Yeah, they're literally doing the XKCD expert joke. (I think... as a non-expert, I can't tell.)
"Magnetism is second nature to us electromagnetic chemists, so it's easy to forget that the average person probably only knows the formulas for one or two paramagnetic substances."
"And diamagnetic, of course."
"Of course."
biophysboy
5 days ago
What attracted you to the field? (I’ll see myself out)
user
6 days ago