tqi
2 hours ago
They are not solely responsible, but of course they bear some responsibility. ACA has a Medical Loss Ratio that requires insurers to spend 80% or 85% of premium revenue on medical services "thereby limiting administrative costs and profits to the remaining 15-20 percent."[1] In other words the only way for them grow profits is to increase cost.
This guy is way out of his depth.
[1] https://www.rand.org/pubs/external_publications/EP71133.html
stymaar
2 hours ago
> This guy is way out of his depth.
It's literally Noah Smith, what did you expect?
akramachamarei
an hour ago
What you wrote seems fully consistent with the blogpost. Unless you are suggesting that health insurance companies collude with providers to raise the cost of medical service?
tqi
6 minutes ago
It doesn't require collusion, just misaligned incentives.
"Perversely, with the MLR requirement capping profit margins and administrative costs, insurers are discouraged from containing health plans’ premium increases. Economists have noted that the MLR requirement effectively turns health insurers into “cost-plus” businesses: If insurers’ predicted premiums are less than the actual medical care spending on claims, it can lead to higher MLRs and less profits, within MLR restrictions. Professor Scott Harrington warned early on that MLR requirements could reduce insurers’ motivation to control premium increases. Prior research has found that the MLR requirement is associated with stronger financial performance for insurers, since they can raise premiums to cover higher claims and still comply with the MLR threshold."
treis
an hour ago
They can grow profits by capturing a larger share of the market.
ch4s3
an hour ago
After the ACA passed it's really hard for insurers to differentiate on policies because so much is mandated. They're essentially all identical products that are going to have similar prices.
esseph
2 hours ago
> This guy is way out of his depth.
He does that a lot, tbf
readthenotes1
2 hours ago
I'm on ACA. I get between $100 and $150 on a gift card to do my annual PCP visit even though my premium is $0/month.
Why? Obvious if you know about the perverse incentive tqi mentions
antasvara
an hour ago
The insurance company that provides your ACA plans gets money from the government for doing so. How much money they get is tied to a few things (not an exhaustive list):
1. On average, how healthy is your group of ACA plan holders? If the group has a bunch of chronic conditions, they get more subsidy money to offset the increased care costs. Going to the PCP allows them to have official medical evidence of those conditions.
2. The government gives these plans quality ratings to help people compare them to each other. These ratings are partially based on how often patients get their annual screenings and patient satisfaction. A gift card for a PCP visit accomplishes both aims.
There are also more practical concerns. Preventative care is cheaper than an acute incident for the company. You'd rather catch an arrhythmia at a PCP appointment than pay for the cost of a heart attack.
EvanAnderson
an hour ago
You must have very little income.
I had an ACA "marketplace" plan back for my family back in 2017 when I was self-employed. My premiums were >$15K / year for a >$10K deductible and no tax credits (because of my income).
dgellow
2 hours ago
Could you elaborate?
FireBeyond
2 hours ago
There are all sorts of perverse incentives in play. Many plans won't pay for weight loss drugs (obviously GLP-1s, but even beyond that) but will happily pay for gastric bypass, for one simple example.
zephen
2 hours ago
> the only way for them grow profits is to increase cost.
And, of course, things like spurious denials drive up costs for them and for the providers. More direct costs, more costs at the provider they have to cover...
From the insurance company perspective, it's a win-win!
chongli
2 hours ago
> things like spurious denials drive up costs for them and for the providers
Spurious denials? Or improperly filed claims?
zephen
an hour ago
Spurious denials.
It's easy to find documentation of this. For example:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10391242/
https://phrma.org/blog/70-denied-how-insurance-denials-are-d...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2026/05/04/independ...
Anecdote is not the singular of data, but when my late wife was dying of cancer, the oncologist was attempting to follow standard care procedures. Preauthorizations were denied even after physician consultation with the insurance company.
My research showed me that the insurance companies contract with other companies (who they may or may not own) to handle the dirty work. It was only after learning the magic incantations to directly contact the "third-party" company that I was able to get traction.
"We do not believe this treatment is warranted."
"Well, her doctor believes it, so she's going to get the treatment. The only question is whether you pay now, or after I file a small claims case."
It was miraculously authorized at that point. It's the same fucking thing with car insurance. The poor people who can't fight really get screwed.
akramachamarei
an hour ago
How would spurious denials drive up the cost of medical service?
clcaev
40 minutes ago
By failing to provide adequate treatment early in a disease course, further exacerbations and comorbidities can appear, and these can become their own chronic conditions requiring further ongoing treatment.
akramachamarei
16 minutes ago
This is a great answer.
zephen
an hour ago
By adding tons of paperwork and time and effort. When a denial happens, often the doctor himself has to communicate with the insurance company via phone, instead of, you know, doctoring.
This often proceeds over multiple rounds. And then either the company eventually pays, or the consumer has to pay and try to get reimbursed later.
You asked this question 30 minutes after even a casual reading of my other comment, and a little thinking about it, would have fully answered it.
I would like to assume good faith, but your other comments indicate a high probability that you are an insurance company shill.
And in response to your other question about collusion, no there doesn't have to be collusion. Insurance companies putting onerous bogus requirements on providers will automatically drive up the costs.
akramachamarei
24 minutes ago
I am deeply offended by your allegation. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a shill. I would not make the same accusations about you, nor would I act as if I can estimate the probability that you are. HN's commentary guidelines address this.
You can consider my mistake to be in conceptualizing the cost of "medical services" too narrowly, as just the medicine, and not the providers' surrounding administration. To that end I take your point. In theory, at least. Do you know how much this has? In particular, you refer to the back-and forth negotiation of claims--on what do you base this claim?
zephen
13 minutes ago
> I am deeply offended by your allegation.
Be offended all you want. It's a free country, but, to be perfectly frank, you are still making it difficult to believe you are writing in good faith, as I will show.
> You can consider my mistake to be in conceptualizing the cost of "medical services" too narrowly, as just the medicine, and not the providers' surrounding administration.
Which is fine, except that my very first comment that you responded to explicitly explained "More direct costs, more costs at the provider they have to cover..."
So I already explained that which you said you missed, before your first comment questioning it.
> Do you know how much this has? In particular, you refer to the back-and forth negotiation of claims--on what do you base this claim?
When I wrote "You asked this question 30 minutes after even a casual reading of my other comment, and a little thinking about it, would have fully answered it." I was serious.
You still asking this question, instead of looking at that comment, indicates that at best you are completely unserious. For your edification, here is a link to that comment:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48480873
When you wrote your first comment in reply to mine, there were already two comments there -- that one and its very short parent.