crazygringo
8 hours ago
> I kept finding myself using a small amount of the features while the rest just mostly got in the way. So a few years ago I set out to build a design tool just like I wanted. So I built Vecti with what I actually need...
Joel Spolsky said (I'm paraphrasing) that everybody only uses 20% of a given program's features, but the problem is that everyone is using a different 20%, so you can't ship an "unbloated" version and expect it to still work for most people.
So it looks like you've built something really cool, but I have to ask what makes you think that the features that are personally important to you are the same features that other potential users need? Since this clearly seems to be something you're trying to create a business out of rather than just a personal hobby project. I'm curious how you went about customer research and market validation for the specific subset of features that you chose to develop?
nielsbot
8 hours ago
I think a successful product strategy can be "build something you love, see if others love it too". If that's enough customers, you can judiciously expand out from there. The "fail honestly" method.
I think the Apple II is one example of this.
dvt
7 hours ago
This is the best way to build products imo. I'm like this, and I've been accused of being very "vibes-based." However, that's a way more tractable way of shipping stuff instead of "well Jim said he wants X, but Amy said she wants Y" so you end up just kind of half-assing features because you think they might get you users, instead of just being passionately all-in into a very defined product vision (which is a very Jobsian way of doing things).
It's also easier to run a feedback loop. If you implement Y, but Amy doesn't give you $5 a month, what are you going to do? Knock on her door? Users have no idea what they want half the time, anyway.
If you build a product and no one cares, it bruises the ego a bit more, sure, but if you self reflect, you can eek out your own bad assumptions, or bad implementation, or maybe a way to pivot that keeps your product ethos.
linkregister
4 hours ago
In order for this to work, you have to possess good taste. Not everyone has it, and it often does not translate across domains.
nerdsniper
2 hours ago
Good taste is an incredibly powerful differentiator in competitive markets like software. Seems like there’s 3-5 decent choices for darn near anything I need, and usually 1 smaller team has the product that stands head and shoulders above the rest.
raw_anon_1111
an hour ago
Unfortunately, good taste doesn’t matter for a successful software product.
First let’s look at B2B, there the “user is not the buyer”. The buyer doesn’t care about “good taste” they care about a lot of other things.
(“Where is my SSO support for multiple users, I’m not going to have my IT department worry about tracking down usernames when Bob leaves)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46919794
Second, if you have the feature that people need or a service or network effect, they will suffer through a bad app - see every Electron app ever.
That “smaller team” may not be around in a year and if you are lucky, you’ll get an “Our Amazing Journey” blog post. Does this product export to a format that my design team can import into Figma if this product goes tits up?
thfuran
7 hours ago
If ten people make focused tools covering different 20% subsets of the giant ones, there's a good chance of having a choice that matches what any given customer wants. And for most customers, that's going to be a better match than a big tool that does tons of other stuff they didn't want.
dotancohen
3 hours ago
How do the consumers find which of the dozen tools support the 20% they need?
Zopieux
3 hours ago
By, get this, trying out the products. Revolutionary.
crazygringo
3 hours ago
How about less snark?
Especially when, who the heck has time for trying out a dozen products? That's at least a full day of work, which probably costs more than the software itself.
No, you just read a few reviews to find the best full price option and best budget option and figure out if the budget does what you need or not. And often go for full price just because you don't even know what features you'll need in 6 months which you don't need now, so safer to just learn the option that is the most future-proof.
cwmoore
3 hours ago
“…good chance at having a match” might be a reach, as more use cases create a viable market.
Are your customers selecting one of five features in your product, or choosing any twenty from among a hundred?
reactordev
7 hours ago
>”you can judiciously expand out from there”
Which is where the bulk of the other 80% of features come from. It’s a cycle.
You start as you describe, you expand, you end up with this enterprise monstrosity, everyone using a different 20%. New tool comes along, you start as you describe…
nielsbot
3 hours ago
Assuming it's enterprise software.. then maybe?
Hopefully you can afford to say "No" a lot.
cosmic_cheese
7 hours ago
> Joel Spolsky said (I'm paraphrasing) that everybody only uses 20% of a given program's features, but the problem is that everyone is using a different 20%, so you can't ship an "unbloated" version and expect it to still work for most people.
To me this is an argument for more apps that do less extremely well instead of a handful of apps that do everything poorly. There's nothing wrong with a tool that's honed for very specific user. They'll never hyperscale, but that's also fine.
Or then again maybe they can. Google Docs is plenty popular despite being closer to WordPad or TextEdit in terms of functionality than it is to MS Word.
Hammershaft
3 hours ago
Then you'll need interoperability of development artifacts to work with teams.
andrekandre
2 hours ago
opendoc remembers...
raw_anon_1111
an hour ago
Nah it’s 2026, you have to have an MCP server.
TheGRS
4 hours ago
Every now and then I stumble on video game developers who have been chugging along for many years, even decades with a handful of dedicated fans. They make obscure niche games that play so well into that niche that they can sustain themselves. Honestly this is something I'd aspire to get to eventually, building a niche product that I love and that just enough people love that I could live sustainably on it, not trying to please anyone but a little collective of people who all agree on what the product should be.
moritonal
42 minutes ago
Creeper World, am I right?
esperent
40 minutes ago
> everybody only uses 20% of a given program's features, but the problem is that everyone is using a different 20%
This is a phrase that gets repeated and it sounds clever. But it's completely at odds with statistics, specifically the normal distribution.
We should say, people use 80-90% the same features, and then there's a tail of less common features that only some people use but are very important to them.
This is why plugin systems for apps are so important. You can build an app that supports the 80% with a tightly designed set of core features, and if someone needs to go outside of those they can use/build a plugin.
Alex63
6 hours ago
A quick web search suggests that you are probably paraphrasing a newsletter [1] that Joel Spolsky published in 2001. He was talking about software like Excel (of which he was the Product Manager) and Word. Maybe a tool that is more focused on a narrower task (like UI design) can be less "bloated"?
[1] https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/03/23/strategy-letter-iv...
conductr
5 hours ago
Agree. This quote is being used out of context here. Niche software can and does succeed especially when it’s only supporting a single dev. This isn’t trying to dethrone an adobe product, or doesn’t need to.
raw_anon_1111
an hour ago
A tool focusing on design is not “niche software” - every company of any size has designers. It’s trying to get professionals to use their software instead of Figma. Why would I move my team from an industry standard that they know or would be willing to learn because they know it will be important at their n+1 job?
gchamonlive
an hour ago
> what makes you think that the features that are personally important to you are the same features that other potential users need?
I think this is a weird question. Sure he can't be the only soul in the world to need only those features. Those 20% people need gotta overlap. So I think a more generous way to read your question would be "what makes you think that the features that are personally important to you are the same features that the mass audience need?". If that's what you meant then I'd ask why appealing to the mass audience so important? Why maximize sales and risk making your product worse if the core of your product is to make things you care about?
PeterStuer
7 hours ago
"everyone is using a different 20%"
In my experience, what people use is very malleable to how easy/good the flows are they are presented with. Given 100 equal options, they might use 20, and nobody picks the same 20, but given 25 options, 20 of which present a very good experience, almost 90% will go with those 20 without complaints.
vitaflo
5 hours ago
Maybe the problem with software is feeling the need to satisfy 100% of users instead of being OK with "only" 20%. Not everything needs to be a min/max problem.
crazygringo
4 hours ago
The point is that 20% of features doesn't satisfy even 20% of users. It's going to be only a tiny fraction of that because something like 99% of potential users are going to need at least one feature outside the 20%. And if a competitor has all the features they need, but you don't, then you lose the sale.
drob518
4 hours ago
As long as the 20% is enough to sustain your company, sure. You might have to charge more, however. Luxury brands do this, for instance (fewer consumers is actually a strategic choice to make the product more exclusive). “Pro” products also do this (though often “pro” means more features, not fewer).
socalgal2
4 hours ago
Could it be more people want Instagram instead of Photoshop? Take a picture, choose from one of 10 filters. Have a ~12 adjustable settings. Vs Photoshop's 1000s of options.
Like lots of people prefer Trader Joes (limited selection) to a bigger super market
dlcarrier
7 hours ago
I feel like HTML and CSS could remove 90% of the functionality and only affect 1% of developers, then we could get some actually good web browsers.
drob518
4 hours ago
The issue here is backwards compatibility with web pages that will never be updated. Nobody wants a browser that works with “most of the web.”
raw_anon_1111
an hour ago
Well they did get rid of the blink tag
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Glossary/blink_elem...
And Gopher support…
dotancohen
3 hours ago
For this was invented Quirks Mode.
crazygringo
3 hours ago
Oh god. I world have been happy if I'd never heard that term again... flashbacks. :P
james2doyle
7 hours ago
Makes me wish more apps had feature toggles
dotancohen
3 hours ago
VIM does this perfectly. Not a single feature is exposed to the user. Every feature the user might ever want is supported, they need just Google for which keyboard incantation to invoke it.
roberthahn
7 hours ago
The testing that would be required to support toggles would be for 2^n. I’m not sure that’s a good solution.
dlcarrier
7 hours ago
Makes me wish more apps followed the UNIX model of separating every feature into separate applications with well documented interfaces that only change when new features absolutely require it and otherwise are only updated for security patches.
roberthahn
7 hours ago
Yeah I like that idea too. Theres a lot of people who would have trouble with that approach though.
AlienRobot
7 hours ago
One common case I notice this is with FFMPEG. Everything that saves a video needs its own dialog with different settings. It would make a lot more sense if you had 1 single polished FFMPEG frontend that everyone just streamed data to.
On the other hand, I'm afraid that if this did happen that FFMPEG frontend would look like a GNOME app and I would hate using it.
socalgal2
4 hours ago
This is something I like about lots of web apis.
Want to generate a video, it's just a few lines of code. Want to connect the user's camera (with permission), it's just a few lines of code. Websockets? About 4 lines of code.
There could be 1000s of options for each of those but they mostly distilled it down to what most people need, and they're cross platform.
mylastattempt
6 hours ago
Me, on the other hand, love ffmpeg, because I notice my ytdlp using it and my vlc player sometimes using it and I have two homemade powrshell scripts using it to convert flac to mp3 and whatever. I don't want to open a program and figure out it's UI for those things. It has a job, it does it well, you can sort of pipe things to it and I'm very happy.
AlienRobot
6 hours ago
I'm not sure you understood what I mean. I'm talking about applications like Krita using FFMPEG to export their data as video. Sometimes they include their own FFMPEG instead of using FFMPEG installed in the system. Each of them has its own dialog. The only way to input custom settings for FFMPEG would be to export in a lossless video format and then reencode using FFMPEG, when you should be able to just "connect" a data stream to an FFMPEG frontend as the input and the frontend has all the options you might want to customize how that data is turned into a .mp4 file or .mov file.
wavemode
6 hours ago
> The testing that would be required to support toggles would be for 2^n
I don't think that's really true, unless the behavior of each toggle is tightly coupled to the behavior each other toggle.
Case in point - most mature apps nowadays do have hundreds of toggles for various settings and features.
FridgeSeal
2 hours ago
I for one, would certainly prefer a wider ecosystem of _more refined_, less bloated tools.
The current system of a near-monoculture of garbage sucks.