jjk166
4 days ago
Thinking about it from the bee's perspective, this is like raiding the lair of an eldritch horror for gold. A beekeeper is just a funny looking bear-thing that takes honey sometimes, but the shop of a beekeeper is full of devices beyond a bee's comprehension, more honey than a bee would ever see in its lifetime just all sitting around, its own sun which can turn on and off. To find yourself in such a place by accident must be a crazy experience, convincing your brethren to attack it by shaking your butt is on another level.
hydrogen7800
4 days ago
Is there a genre of fiction or collection of stories in this style that presents a fairly normal thing from a horrifying perspective? Maybe the story describes the thing in this horrific manner, and the reader slowly realizes what the "normal" thing actually is, all the while using factual basis for the phenomena. In the case of honey bees, I'm imagining the worker bees selecting a female to become queen, per wikipedia:
>"Queens are developed from larvae selected by worker bees and specially fed in order to become sexually mature."
This has much horror potential.
vintermann
4 days ago
I wondered if "slender man" was this. An unnaturally tall and thin figure, it doesn't have hands, but some sort of tentacles growing from its back. It doesn't strike at you, you're just likely to feel a sudden, crippling pain if you catch its attention and it comes too close, followed by your certain death. It does not move quickly, but it is relentless - you thought you had outrun it, and then it's suddenly right behind you again.
It occurred to me that this could be how a savanna predator views a human hunter. Our hands wouldn't register as hands (forepaws) for them, they would be some sort of super-flexible grasping thing, like a tentacle. Standing upright we would seem impossibly tall and thin. The animal doesn't understand throwing, let alone guns, all it knows is that getting the attention of this creature is related to sudden pain and death at a distance. Endurance hunting is pure horror - you thought you had outrun it, but there it is again.
bitwize
4 days ago
I realized a few years ago that cuttlefish were actually little Cthulhus, in behavior, not just form. What does Cthulhu do? His mere presence drives you mad, then he devours you. When cuttlefish hunt, they "flash" their chromatophore-laden skin in writhing patterns that daze or hypnotize the prey, preventing it from escaping or attacking when the cuttlefish moves to devour it.
Jun8
4 days ago
Not fiction but I love this part in Feynman’s The Pleasure of Finding Things Out:
“When he was very small we used to rock him to bed … and tell him stories, and I’d make up a story about little people … they lived in the ventilator; and they’d go through these woods which had great big long tall blue things like trees, but without leaves and only one stalk, and they had to walk between them and so on; and he’d gradually catch on [that] that was the rug, the nap of the rug, the blue rug …”
edent
4 days ago
I can recommend "The Bees by Laline Paull". It attempts to show the world from a bee's perspective. It is terrifying, confusing, and horrific. An excellent story.
southernplaces7
3 days ago
I can't recall a whole story or genre that plays with this concept to such an extent, but I've seen it pop up from time to time in all kinds of fiction.
First example that pops to mind: If you read that completely enthralling and wonderful novel Watership Down by Richard Adams, its told entirely from the perspective of Rabbits, and beautifully so. There are several scenes, especially one featuring their first encounter with a colossal freight train and its engine, described completely from their perspective, with no knowledge of what these man-made machines are. It's right up the alley of the horror concept you mention.
spauldo
3 days ago
Terry Pratchett had some books kind of like this.
The Carpet People has characters that live in the fibers of a living room carpet and are subject to mysterious phenomena they don't understand (such as a vacuum cleaner).
The Bromeliad Trilogy is similar, although the characters are a few inches high and at least have a concept of full-sized humans. They have to move their tribe from a department store that's closing down to somewhere else, which means they have to learn about the outside world.
shoo
4 days ago
you may also enjoy
"Same mama, different species" - "Iberian harvester ant queens clone males of a different species in a never-before-seen case of reproduction and domestication. "
https://www.404media.co/the-biological-rulebook-was-just-rew...
honkycat
3 days ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junji_Ito%27s_Cat_Diary:_Yon...
Junjie itonhas a funny one about cats
enaaem
3 days ago
There are youtube channels like Latest Sightings that show nature in its rawest form and it is very disturbing. Like male zebras killing foals that er not his and seeing the mother desperately defending her foal.
nanomonkey
4 days ago
Not quite the same, but in anthropology this is known as Nacirema. "Body Rituals of the Nacirema" was the first example.
defrost
4 days ago
and followed and flipped a little to reach Babakiueria
sim7c00
3 days ago
starmaker is a nice scifi which dives quite deep on the topic of other species becoming sentient and what that might look like. its not quite whats said here ofc but the line of thought kinda reminded me of its descriptions of certain types of life
hydrogen7800
3 days ago
So many great suggestions here! Thanks!
themafia
4 days ago
> that takes honey sometimes
To them it's stealing the life blood of the hive.
> more honey than a bee would ever see in its lifetime
Bees move around the hive. They see all the honey. They individually _produce_ very little of it, but the total extent of it is surely known to them in some way.
> an eldritch horror
That's unironically how I view small winged creatures that follow their own rules and then inject me with venom, without warning, for not following them.
cindyllm
4 days ago
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NoMoreNicksLeft
4 days ago
I sometimes wonder when we see their weird behaviors like this, if there isn't a new dance "word", that just happens too infrequently to have been documented. The syntax/grammar for butt-dancing is pretty simple, and I don't think there's any documented that could lead them to sneak in through a broken door and search interior spaces.
afandian
4 days ago
They have excellent smell. Not only foraging for plants but hive smells and pheromones which are socially important. I’m sure that would be enough to get them to follow the smell inside a building.
themafia
4 days ago
"Bob's over by the entrance. He's sweaty and agitated. He's furiously pointing to a place in the field near our home."
What would any social creature do?
NoMoreNicksLeft
4 days ago
"Nah, I checked that place out 20 minutes ago... there are no flowers. It's not a real place at all!"
I mean, given how little study bee dance language has gotten, if there's another unknown word and was only performed once a year by a typical hive, no one would have ever seen it. And their vocabulary isn't taught, it's instinctive, so low frequency usage wouldn't be an impediment to transmission.
themafia
4 days ago
What communication occurs to draw bees to the location of a fallen hive member? They seem to do that without the dance at all. So there's clearly multiple communications layers. I'm assuming that those layers work in concert to convey more complex ideas.
It's not just the finger pointing, it's the look on his face, and the smell of his sweat.
NoMoreNicksLeft
3 days ago
>What communication occurs to draw bees to the location of a fallen hive member?
Pheromones. Some people claim to be able to smell those themselves, some of them at least.
gessha
4 days ago
It’s funny that reading the following quote “more honey than a bee would ever see in its lifetime just all sitting around” made me remember the painting “It has come to pass” by Sergei Lukin.