Dookie Demastered

788 pointsposted 9 months ago
by nickthegreek

216 Comments

npunt

9 months ago

As you scroll around you'll notice it'll turn all the images into jpegs with bad artifacting like you're back on dialup surfing the world wide web. That's dedication to detail.

This degraded image effect was done by moving image viewport around within source images like this: https://www.dookiedemastered.com/images/gameboy-3-sheet.webp

thih9

9 months ago

We have reached an era where JPEG artifacts are used as an ornament - like artifacts from film photography, vinyls and more.

Perhaps spotting that in a demastering project is bending the rules a bit, but still - I like how it indicates that our tastes and internet speeds have changed.

npunt

9 months ago

Yep. JPEG artifacts are now a signature of the medium.

"Whatever you now find weird, ugly, uncomfortable and nasty about a new medium will surely become its signature. CD distortion, the jitteriness of digital video, the crap sound of 8-bit - all of these will be cherished and emulated as soon as they can be avoided. It’s the sound of failure: so much modern art is the sound of things going out of control, of a medium pushing to its limits and breaking apart. The distorted guitar sound is the sound of something too loud for the medium supposed to carry it. The blues singer with the cracked voice is the sound of an emotional cry too powerful for the throat that releases it. The excitement of grainy film, of bleached-out black and white, is the excitement of witnessing events too momentous for the medium assigned to record them." - Brian Eno

reaperducer

9 months ago

vinyls

Stay away from my shellacs and waxes!

jesse__

9 months ago

I noticed this too. I love this kind of thing so much. I wish more people had the time, money and patience for polish like this.

punnerud

9 months ago

It’s starting to get way easier these days with the help of Claude.ai and Cursor.ai. I find it’s easier to pay much more focus to details when the iteration process is faster.

ddingus

9 months ago

I did not see it at first. Once I did, I was entranced just scrolling about to see it again.

The whole site is polished to a high degree. Lqbor of love, just like all the quirky items rhey have to loved just as much.

quux

9 months ago

Nice, I was wondering if they were actually making use of progressive JPEG or just switching between images.

aaronbrethorst

9 months ago

This is the best thing I've seen in a long time.

When an album hits a big milestone like its 30th anniversary

Oof, so this is what getting old feels like. Yikes.

Crank it as long as you want with “All By Myself,” arranged for the first time on a hand-cranked music box.

chef's kiss.

lelandfe

9 months ago

> this toothbrush plays Green Day’s “Pulling Teeth” while you brush. Finally, you can put Dookie in your mouth (not recommended).

fragmede

9 months ago

The mere mention by the title had the classic phrase "Do you have the time..." blaring in my head as if it were thirty years ago, even if the last time I listened to that was at least a decade a ago. The nostalgia, right in the feels.

hluska

9 months ago

I hadn’t listened in Dookie in a very long time. Then my kid and I were talking about music and she wanted to know what kinds of music I streamed back in high school. :)

That turned into a talk about CDs and led into listening to Dookie with my eight year old. The album has aged very well. As an adult, I find that different songs are more appealing now than they were as a teen and in other cases, age has warped the meaning of the songs.

But as an album, it stands up really well. There are some other well known albums from the nineties that really haven’t stood up as well. I’d recommend another listen!

Though, “I declare I don’t care no more.” :)

iddan

9 months ago

As someone who was a teen about ten years ago I can confess it was still very relevant and I even got its CD (though honestly I listened to it mostly on my iPod Touch)

rhinoceraptor

9 months ago

I'm 30 now, there's nothing I wanted more than the iPod Touch but I think I made the sales pitch to my parents too hard because I was very excited it had a web browser. I grew up without even basic cable but I did eventually get an iPod classic which I still miss having. I think it eventually met it's fate in the washing machine.

throwup238

9 months ago

> There are some other well known albums from the nineties that really haven’t stood up as well.

Some day Limp Bizkit will get the recognition they deserves.

akiselev

9 months ago

A crimes against humanity tribunal at the Hague?

cloverich

9 months ago

I will say I saw them in concert accidentally once (attending for the headliner, I had no idea they were also playing). I had no real interest in them musically, no hate or anything just no real interest, but wow. They were incredibly good performers compared to the 30 or so other rock bands I'd seen in my youth, easily top 3 performance wise. It really changed my view on the impact a live performance can have on your perceptions of a band and its music.

notjulianjaynes

9 months ago

100 gecs is more or less a Limp Bizkit tribute band IMO.

09thn34v

9 months ago

finally someone says it. nickelback too

KingMob

9 months ago

"Nookie Demastered"?

rhinoceraptor

9 months ago

American Idiot also had it's 20th anniversary, I ordered the CD/bluray box set that comes out later this month.

ssharp

9 months ago

Another strange part of getting old:

The gap between Dookie and American Idiot seems significantly longer to me than the gap between American Idiot and today, yet it's half as long :/

icambron

9 months ago

I notice this one a lot. My sense of time is attached to how much I’ve changed, and my rate of change—-at least for music consumption—-attenuates as I age, dilating time. A couple years can seem like an eon when you’re 14 and each new album transforms you. Now a decade of music feels static and irrelevant and I barely notice it go by.

Related: it sure seemed like the mid-90s were special for rock music; I was 13 when Dookie came out and I felt (still feel) like I was in a sort of alternative renaissance, just crammed with amazing new music. But I’m sure every generation feels that way about whatever happened to be popular when they were teenagers.

user

9 months ago

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aaronbrethorst

9 months ago

Shockingly apt timing.

samplatt

9 months ago

Well, the first time around was Bush's re-election.

pavlov

9 months ago

It’s pretty wild that the Republican Party has transformed so much that GWB and Cheney don’t vote for it anymore. It’s only been 16 years since they left office. (Cheney is officially supporting Harris, and Bush clearly is not on Team MAGA either.)

asveikau

9 months ago

This is off topic, but I don't see Bush/Cheney as very different from Trump, and there is a straight line between those. The biggest contrast is that Trump jettisoned decorum and politeness. Bush was outwardly polite as he enacted the same kind of policy. I mean, the appointment of Samuel Alito is a prime example. Look how the Bush court appointments are unleashed now that they've got a few more like-minded colleagues.

amy-petrik-214

9 months ago

Well after Bush and his comrades Dick and Colon (nee Cheney; Powell), we had the TEA PARTY MOVEMENTS whose thesis was very simple: "politicians, as people, they suck, 400 million are suffering for their aggrandizing shittiness, lets get some people in there to fuck some shit up". And so they did, and they did. And this become the new norm. And now DC had been made even further ugly and toxic. Then Trump appeared, and he basically said the same exact thing as the tea party movement "Draiiinnn the Swap!!", and now - yes - even more ugly and toxic.

All of these has been fueled by social media, which to reduce some of the complexities, determined that "if we divide and polarize american politics we make boatloads of money"

krapp

9 months ago

Yeah, I don't know why Trump is seen as such an iconoclast and anti-establishment type when politically he's a boilerplate establishment Fox News conservative. His personality is really the only thing that distinguishes him from the pack.

psb217

9 months ago

There's a big practical difference between chewing coca leaves and smoking crack. Also, the shift in personality and tone from Bush to Trump are... not small. The inconoclast and anti-establishment things are intentional, effective and, as you note, somewhat hypocritical branding on the part of Trump's PR team. After sitting through a few of his full length >1hr "speeches", it's incredible (in the strongest, most literal sense of that word) that he can even exist as a viable political candidate. If he were magically teleported back in time to the GW Bush years, current Trump would be laughed out of the room in pretty much any political setting.

asveikau

9 months ago

> If he were magically teleported back in time to the GW Bush years, current Trump would be laughed out of the room in pretty much any political setting.

That's really not how I see it. Trump sits on the shoulders of those who came before and set the stage for the Trump policy. My Alito example above is an instructive one. Bush can be seen as laying a 20 year foundation towards overturning Roe or the Chevron doctrine. I remember when Roberts was appointed, mainstream press talked up how moderate and reasonable he was, but I never bought it -- and how we see he isn't.

The rhetoric appeals to the base... But that base got radicalized by prior eras. Decades of complaining about big government. Fox News demonizing Pelosi and "San Francisco values". Karl Rove's permanent campaign mode. Much of that discourse was fully formed in 2004. The Bush people knew to reign it in sometimes, that is the difference.

psb217

9 months ago

In this case I'm talking strictly about his persona, on-stage performance, and overall "vibe". To an extent, these traits are orthogonal to his claimed policy/politics in the traditional sense, which I agree are basically a continuation and in particular areas an amplification of earlier trends in the Republican party. Eg, I grew up in Houston in the 80s and 90s with parents that listened to Rush Limbaugh on a regular basis, so the general direction of intent isn't unexpected. The way in which that intent is expressed is however well outside what would have ever made it to the "main stage" 20-30 years ago. It's a culmination of decades of propagandic ground laying. I suppose "any political setting" was too broad a claim. I was implicitly ignoring anything short of running for national office.

vundercind

9 months ago

Two things stand out:

1) Positions and messaging strategy. Trump tends to take up the positions you hear Republican voters talk about over a coffee at the diner or over a beer on an aluminum-hull outboard motor fishing boat. As with Democrats, typical Republican planks aren’t terribly close to what their voters want, so (Trump proved) you can win elections by targeting this unmet demand directly.

“Why don’t they just build a wall?”; “Fucking NAFTA, sold us all out”; “gotta do something about that trade deficit with China” and/or other comments on restricting trade with China; “Obamacare sucks” but also kinda vaguely supporting something to fix healthcare (this muddled set of positions came out rather directly in Trump’s speeches—sometimes it’d sound like he was about to advocate single payer); “we should stop being the world police for free” and/or “Europe’s freeloading on NATO”; lots of complaints about illegal immigration’s and crime generally; Washington corruption (“drain the swamp!”); et c.

If you know many Republican voters, not politicians, you may recognize that as stuff that’d inform their wishlist. Trump heard that, and just… did exactly that, turned around and said exactly those things instead of taking up the typical Republican platform. Got him elected. He even sort-of followed through on some of it. This is true for at least the first election, his positions this time seem to have gone a bit more tail-wagging-the-dog (creating issues and demand for a particular solution to the created issue, through messaging, rather than going to where voters already are on existing issues)

2) Relatedly, and especially because he did follow through on some of it, he’s the only big two party Presidential candidate since perhaps 1980 to not be fully on-board with neoliberalism. That’s definitely remarkable. Vance alluded to this at one point in the recent debate.

(Disclaimer because it’s a polarizing topic: observation without condemnation should not be taken as support)

agrippanux

9 months ago

When “Out Come The Wolves” by Rancid hit 20 years I was starting to feel my age.

SmellTheGlove

9 months ago

I just saw Rancid, Smashing Pumpkins and Green Day. All on the same tour. It was amazing to have that much of the first half of my life in one stadium.

Green Day are still in their prime in terms of a live show. Yeah it’s not 3 kids packing a basement anymore, but they absolutely crushed Dookie in their 50s. I felt not old for a couple of hours.

YuriNiyazov

9 months ago

Me too (Oracle Park), and I also relate to the not feeling old for a couple of hours - except the few times when I saw parents bring their kids to this show, and the kids were definitely not older than like, nine or ten, and were (!) mouthing the words to songs from Dookie.

adfm

9 months ago

"Energy" is 35. Feeling old yet? If so, go to the Punk Rock Museum in Vegas. They did us right.

pipes

9 months ago

I love this album. So many catchy songs. I prefer it to dookie too.

SmellTheGlove

9 months ago

Everything after it was kind of a disaster though. Although I do have a soft spot for Indestructible.

lawgimenez

9 months ago

Easily top 5 punk album of all time.

iwaztomack

9 months ago

Not punk. Punk is about being bad at your instrument and looking ugly and being the underdog and still creating a community. When Dookie came out, every highschool and college kid was lined up to buy it, it had constant airplay, and was blasting in every classroom and dorm room. That's not punk: that is 100% mainstream pop. Which is Green Day in a nutshell. Commidified dissent x100.

lawgimenez

9 months ago

I was talking about And out come the wolves, and still punk to me. Pixies is punk, replacements is still punk to me. No need to be a purist.

iwaztomack

9 months ago

College Alternative is not Punk.

I went to Pixies concerts when I was at BU in the 80's. They were a rich white kid college band.

Punk was a very specific movement.

It's like saying, "Yeah, impressionism is same as Cubism." No. It isn't. Don't rewrite history because it suits your invented personality.

codelikeawolf

9 months ago

Oh wow, I realized it's turning 30 next year and my back just started hurting.

larodi

9 months ago

we definitely gonna rediscover what de-mastering means, when AI finally gets to master everything instead of us. can't wait for a wave of punk-pixel-human-in-the-wrong-loop-nostalgy much stronger than vaporwave.

standardUser

9 months ago

They really went all out on these...

"A preloved Teddy comes with a cassette tape featuring an eight-channel recording of “Chump” including synchronized eye and snout movements."

"This fully-playable version of “Welcome To Paradise” will immerse you in the world of a small apartment in Oakland, California. Search out the record to play the full 8-bit rendition of your favorite song."

Totally impressed and amazed.

sailfast

9 months ago

Absolutely incredible product. I don't have the $99 to splurge on this but it was very enticing :)

joezydeco

9 months ago

You enter a lottery to buy the 1 Ruxpin that was built. You can probably get more than your money back if you don't want to keep it.

jorvi

9 months ago

Oh, that makes it slightly less cool, although still very cool.

It would have been nice if they made it a limited run (say, 100 copies) instead of singular pieces.

crtasm

9 months ago

There's multiple copies of a number of the items.

notjulianjaynes

9 months ago

>eight-channel recording of “Chump” including synchronized eye and snout movements

Am I understanding this correctly to mean that some of the audio channels on a Teddy Ruxpin cassette are silent tracks that control the motors in the toy? That's kind of interesting. I wonder if there are any other examples of a custom Ruxpin track being made . . .

Edit: comment directly below this one addresses this.

09thn34v

9 months ago

unbelievable tbh this had to have been an insane amount of work

rob74

9 months ago

Yeah, the teddy bear singing "I don't know you, but I think I hate you / You're the reason for my misery" and the bass singing "I am one of those melodramatic fools, neurotic to the bone no doubt about it" are my favorites. "Longview" would have sounded... interesting too coming from the bear, but I guess they chickened out there and picked a device that couldn't reproduce the lyrics :)

RajT88

9 months ago

BTW - as you'd expect - the protocol for Ruxpin has been thoroughly reverse engineered.

IIRC - one audio channel is used for the speaker, and the other is a series of beeps which map to facial movements:

https://makezine.com/projects/chippy-ruxpin/

Back when I thought it might be a fun side hustle to make cool youtube videos (long ago put to bed), I thought about making videos of Ruxpin singing death metal and stuff.

It's been years since it seemed like it was worthwhile to make Youtube videos... And the situation is getting worse for creators year over year.

planb

9 months ago

> Back when I thought it might be a fun side hustle to make cool youtube videos (long ago put to bed), I thought about making videos of Ruxpin singing death metal and stuff. It's been years since it seemed like it was worthwhile to make Youtube videos...

But should it? There used to be a time when people put this stuff on the internet for fun, not as a side huste or to "monetize" it... Maybe there's not so much money in this idea, but you can make people laugh for a few seconds.

smolder

9 months ago

The potential for cute stuff to 'go viral' is severely diminished thanks to high production value click-bait and mainstream content. Big Content will drown out anything that hasn't gained tons of views already by promotion through other channels.

ramesh31

9 months ago

I think OP's point is who cares. We weren't worrying about viewer engagement metrics on Ebaumsworld.

smolder

9 months ago

That's fair. Though, monetization aside, I myself feel less inclined to put significant effort into a joke or something if the expected audience is tiny.

schlauerfox

9 months ago

not 'beeps' so much as either Pulse-position modulation or FM to control the positions. I had a 'beta test' teddy before they were released, a friend of my father was a sculptor at WoW. I guess little me didn't want to give it back but had to, my Mom had to fight hard to find one at Christmas with a little inside info on delivery dates. You can still make cool stuff for your own sake, you don't have to monetize every hobby.

RajT88

9 months ago

My thinking was, maybe turning one of my hobbies into not a money sink. I still have 0 of those, but many in the red.

JansjoFromIkea

9 months ago

Had a bit of a look in a few places about the protocol, am I right in understanding the only way to do it with actual cassettes would be to find an 8 channel cassette recorder?

Here's what I was reading http://www.illiop.org/workings.html

[edited to say 8 channel to avoid confusion with 8 track]

wibbily

9 months ago

> answering machine

Tried and true distribution channel for hit music - see dial-a-song ((844) 387-6962) or the lovely "callin' oates" ((719) 266-2837)

bagels

9 months ago

I love that... 13 years on that Callin' Oates is still alive.

"The hotline dates back to December 2011 and was created by Michael Selvidge and Reid Butler. Selvidge, who at the time worked for Twilio, told The Verge that he was required to build an app for the company and “Callin' Oates” was the result"

petesergeant

9 months ago

Hard to know if this was truly one of the best albums ever or if I just heard it at a super impressionable age, but the starting riff on When I Come Around gets me every time

DowagerDave

9 months ago

It's very catchy, but not super-impressive musically IMO, however it had a huge impact on the scene and entire ecosystem at the time. Many other bands piggy-backed off their success, which I'm not sure happens as much in today's mega-single model. The band has gotten continually better while still staying relevant as well, which is really cool.

bena

9 months ago

Green Day, especially the Dookie album, is kind of the epitome of "Yeah, you could have wrote it, but you didn't."

Not to mention, it's more than any single riff. It's the way the chorus ends then that little bass fill hits. And just the combination of the music with the lyrics. There's just that something that just gets everything right enough.

Take Basket Case, the song is pretty fucking simple musically. But it really serves as sort of click track to the vocals.

Taking simplicity and turning it into art takes skill.

hluska

9 months ago

Everyone already said that about punk. We know it’s not Bach, but it’s not meant to be. It’s punk music - it’s not meant to be impressive musically.

geoka9

9 months ago

Having said that... :) ... GD are very much above average musically when it comes to the popular music of the last 30 years. With those songwriting/performing chops, it's almost surprising they are a punk rock band.

aaronax

9 months ago

Agree. Approximately rank 65 on best-selling albums of all time, but generally ranked in the 250-350 range on top 500 albums of all time. Such more subjective measures probably include sales/popularity as one of the ranking factors, so one could think that the album is of particularly below-expected "quality" to drag it down a few hundred positions.

godisdad

9 months ago

It is both.

The story of Lookout Records being basically kept afloat by selling Kerplunk their first album after they left and blew up is also tragic/hilarious

bloopernova

9 months ago

I personally prefer Insomniac. I used the opening riffs from Brain Stew as a ringtone during my on-call days, which ruined the track for a long time for me.

geoka9

9 months ago

FWIW, when it came out I couldn't be bothered to listen to Green Day. 20 years later they became one of the favorites.

user

9 months ago

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lelandfe

9 months ago

This site is unexpectedly AWESOME. The frontend is so nice! The audio perfectly syncs up to a video when you open up the accordion, and I love the giant fonts. The best part though is the bitcrushing image carousels omg. The images get higher res as they're scrolled into view! https://imgur.com/a/TIWA9FW

Kudos to the designers and devs on this.

farmeroy

9 months ago

I mean, when I first tried to open the website it just wouldn't load on my iPhone, so I tried on the laptop. It took ~10 seconds to load. I just assumed the bitcrushing was more issues with bandwidth and badly compressed images rather than a design choice. But your comment made me sit through everything to see if i could really get it. I guess I can recognize the work that went into this and the concept behind it... having said that, I am definitely not the target audience for this website and am struggling not to write an extremely negative comment about green day and 90s nostalgia

fkyoureadthedoc

9 months ago

Always at least one every thread.

> Sorry but this site is trash because it took 10s to load on my One Laptop Per Child running LFS connected to my 3g hotspot. I literally cannot imagine why anyone could ever like this.

iddan

9 months ago

I physically chuckled

conductr

9 months ago

I thoroughly enjoyed it, this is as iconic of an album as I could imagine especially given my age at the time it was released, but all to say yes my iPhone feels like it’s going to catch fire after a couple minutes on the site lol

mp05

9 months ago

A few of their songs are really catchy, regardless of what you think of them (which I bet I agree with). Get over it.

drawkward

9 months ago

Literal old man yells at cloud.

user

9 months ago

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kstrauser

9 months ago

The struggle was in vain.

throwawaycities

9 months ago

I love everything about this from the band, album, unique distributions of the songs, to the website.

The raffle style business model stood out, so I read the terms. The terms weren't any more clear, they sort of lump sweepstakes/raffle together in section 14. Sweepstakes and raffles are high regulated but they are legally distinct, and raffles are treated as gambling in many jurisdictions.

I hope they have it all worked out, it’s an awesome distribution of music.

i_am_jl

9 months ago

The Teddy Ruxpin with the sync'd movements is crazy impressive.

Having to provide an address and a credit card before the drawing is obnoxious, but it's led me to realize that if I really wanted things that played Green Day, I could make most of these things myself.

appendix-rock

9 months ago

…yes, well, it’s quite common for people to pay others to do things that they could do themselves but would rather just do something else. That is kind of how the world works.

throw10920

9 months ago

I don't think that the GP was necessarily complaining about the money, but about the inconvenience of the payment.

> Having to provide an address and a credit card

You don't usually complain about providing an address if the only factor is the payment/price.

I suspect the GP would have been fine paying if they had an extremely low-friction payment system (e.g. one-click).

yard2010

9 months ago

Also, in the case of pure art, paying for something trivial is like voting.

robg

9 months ago

Basketcase on a Big Mouth Bass is exactly a world I want to live in.

idontwantthis

9 months ago

No HitClip?? They could fit 2/3 of Coming Clean on one.

Edit: I completely missed it. Everything is now perfect.

bitwize

9 months ago

What's missing is the PXL-2000 tape with a video for one of the songs.

GuinansEyebrows

9 months ago

this is honestly the most impressive one here. i looked into doing hitclips with a friend and we basically tapped out once i found out how they work under the hood since there's no way they'd be cost effective.

nunez

9 months ago

This is one of the best things I have ever seen.

aquova

9 months ago

Hey, I still use my Mini-Disc deck! Sometimes!

Funnily enough, while I like the format and would be willing to get an official release of Dookie on it, it's not really worth the hassle for a single track, especially I could just as easily copy the album onto the format myself.

mdmdmd

9 months ago

Same! I feel somewhat offended that the version from the site is so lo-fi. MDs had fantastic quality, to my ears indistinguishable from CDs!

Edit: Aha, I see now, this is a mic'd recording of an MD player with a built in speaker.

dangan

9 months ago

I remember seeing this album on MiniDisc in a store in Sweden circa 2000. If you do enough Googling you might be able to find a copy.

l72

9 months ago

If you win the answering machine, just beware!

  > Deletion:
  > Irreversible

gman83

9 months ago

This reminds me of how the web used to be, before everything was on social media.

low_tech_love

9 months ago

The floppy version of "Having a Blast" is extremely nostalgic, it almost brought tears to my eyes. It's not just that the bitrate is low but also the speakers that came with PC's back then were just not that good. That sounds a hell of a lot like it used to in the 90's when I downloaded it from Spotify in a dial-up...

And then followed by Chump in the teddy bear, which also sounds incredibly nostalgic. I'm starting to feel like Dookie actually sounds better on a lofi arrangement...?

P.S. Yes, it does. Basket Case and She just ended this argument. What a blast!

jasongill

9 months ago

I actually won one of the 50 floppy copies of "Having a Blast"! If you send me an email at my HN username @gmail.com I'll send you a copy once I get it and rip it.

eemil

9 months ago

US only? Really should have put that front and center... before I spent 20 minutes deciding which drawing to enter :/

ramenlover

9 months ago

You could just proxy it through something like myus.com or the like

yapyap

9 months ago

The prices are insane to me but to be fair the people that remember this from 30 years ago will probably have some spare money to spend if they’re still interested

Edit: well to be fair I see now that they are very limited

beloch

9 months ago

There's a whole industry based on overpriced, "limited edition" nostalgic merch. Traditionally, "prints" (i.e. posters) for bands, movies, and even individual star trek episodes are huge. If you set the limit right, you're barely limiting sales at all while convincing people what they're buying is somehow more special and worth more money.

Art of the past is cheap and plentiful. Instead of doing multiple runs of an unlimited poster and bothering to keep it in stock, you do one run can call it "limited edition". Then you move on and mine the next anniversary.

This site is unusually slick for such a venture, but Dookie is a bigger deal than most albums, and the prices correspond to that.

dingnuts

9 months ago

What they're buying _is_ more special and thus worth more. Green Day doesn't need more money but I love limited edition art from small artists.

Why? I know the art up in my home isn't up in everyone's home. I want my space to be unique. I want to be reminded of the tour, the festival, the album release, years later. I'm paying extra to support the artist I love, to have something more unique, and I'm pre paying for nostalgia in a decade.

My walls are covered in art you can't get anymore. I love it. I'll never walk into someone else's home and see that I have the same mass produced dreck up, and every piece of art on my walls is tied to a memory.

ToValueFunfetti

9 months ago

And, doing the math, I can't imagine Green Day is making any money on this. sum(editions*price) = $3826 (though I'm not including the $20/item shipping). They probably spent more than that on the website. So they get publicity, some fans get some unique merch, and everybody else gets a fun joke

driverdan

9 months ago

What exactly is insane about it? These are all hand created, very limited production items. They all took time to develop and test.

nervousvarun

9 months ago

Apologies, a little slow here (probably because I was in high school when this album came out)...what are you actually buying for those listed prices?

hluska

9 months ago

You get exactly what it says. For example, if you put $99 down and win the draw, you can get an actual Teddy Ruxpin that sings Chump. Or for $79 you can win a Big Mouth Billie Bass that sings Basket Case. If you click through to the previews, there are videos.

nervousvarun

9 months ago

I mean I thought that at first, then thought no way because that's just a one off product but yeah, that's incredible.

If anything the prices are far too low.

hluska

9 months ago

I just spent a stupid amount of money for a chance at getting Teddy Ruxpin. I’m feeling remarkably dumb right now but your words make me feel better.

fourseventy

9 months ago

You only pay if you win

hluska

9 months ago

I’m glad there are better adults on this site. In retrospect, I should really read.

Thanks for your help!

al_borland

9 months ago

The price doesn't get you the item, it gets you an entry into the drawing. You're buying a lottery ticket for $19 - $99 with unknown odds.

It sounds like they aren't all one-off.

>QUANTITIES VARY BY TRACK.

The could probably produce as many floppies as they want, while the player piano... probably not so much.

samspot

9 months ago

I sent this to my blind friend and found out this page is fantastically inaccessible. The only keyboard usable thing on the whole page is the mailing list signup. A few <button> tags would go a long way here, as well as general semantic html. Axe devtools can't even find the buttons to report violations.

eddieroger

9 months ago

I'd take the whole album in 8-bit chiptunes in a heartbeat. Heck, I'd buy an old GameBoy if that was the only way to listen to it.

user

9 months ago

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ChrisArchitect

9 months ago

This is officially sanctioned by Green Day? interesting

stronglikedan

9 months ago

Gotta stay relevant somehow!

llamaimperative

9 months ago

For real. Ever since they sold out Petco Park ummm... last week... they've been super irrelevant.

hildolfr

9 months ago

A sold out Rolling Stones concert doesn't suddenly make them more relevant.. Green Day has the luxury of having a fan base that's not entirely dead of old age yet.

llamaimperative

9 months ago

It doesn’t make them more relevant, but it does prove they’re not irrelevant, as GP suggested.

Idk, not many people can sell tens or hundreds of thousands of pricy tickets to see them do their thing for 90 minutes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

randomdata

9 months ago

To be relevant usually speaks to some kind of broad social impact or defining of a culture. You might argue Green Day did that back in the day, but do they really continue to? A lot of people willing to pay to be entertained by their performance does not imply relevancy.

user

9 months ago

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kridsdale3

9 months ago

Rolling Stones had a kickass new album this year

MisterTea

9 months ago

Remember recording the video for Basket Case off MTV on to VHS and recording it to PC using a Creative Video Spigot and SB16. Had to use postage stamp sized video at 10 or 15 FPS as my 486 could barley keep up. Wound up with a HUGE file in those days. My brother had a Teddy Ruxpin and I had a talking Alf. Was hilarious when you put some rock or metal tapes into them.

Re. the site - for some dumb reason I have to click on the page to get arrow and page up/down keys working as if the page needs to grab focus.

ddingus

9 months ago

I LOVE everything about this! What a fun idea and a fresh look at a stand out album!

I should also take a moment to recognize how great the site design is as well.

TacticalCoder

9 months ago

> The album that exploded punk rock 30 years ago, re-exploded onto obscure, obsolete, and inconvenient formats.

It's really strange. I probably don't get it.

I was there listening to punk rock and "grunge" rock in 1994. Back then nobody listened to music on his computer (the .mp3 format didn't even exist yet: at least not with that name) except if it was using the PC's CD drive, to play an audio CD.

1994 was kind "peak" quality: the loudness war on CDs just hadn't started yet and listening to music was often amazing for it was often played directly from CDs on actual stereos.

Crappy sound only arrived a few years when the first, lame, mp3 encoders arrived and became ubiquitous and everybody made lossy rip of CDs (because we didn't know how to rip losslessly yet from CDs) and then encoded them with poor encoders at shitty bitrates (like 128 kbps mp3 were really a thing in the late 90s, for Napster sharing).

So it's really strange to take music from 1994, which is precisely a year were nobody listened to "shitty format" music yet on his PC.

FWIW I had my first CD player in 1988 or so.

It's only in the late 90s that music quality for listening experience went seriously downhill, with people listening to shitty 128 kbps mp3 on their shitty, tiny, Logitech speakers.

Nowadays all is good and fine again: Tidal, Spotify, Qobuz... It's all good sounding again. And many acceptable soundbars and systems came out (like Sonos and whatnots).

So yup I don't get it: to me it's "fake retro" because 1994 music was enjoyed from CDs, on speakers hooked to a stereo (which were never as shitty as those tiny Logitech speakers and similar hooked to PCs).

I just don't understand what this is: I must be getting old... But then as I'm getting old, it means I was there in 1994 and it's definitely not the 1994 I remember. It's kinda fake retro for something that never existed.

kristianp

9 months ago

Speaking of the loudness wars, remember when Californication came out? I thought my copy (on cdrom) had been ripped from a distorted tape. Still one of my favourites though.

tayo42

9 months ago

128 isnt a thing?

What bit rate does Spotify use for streaming online regular quality?

vessenes

9 months ago

While I grant you that nobody enjoyed music directly from a Teddy Ruxpin in the 1990s, I think you’re wrong about this. It is nostalgic. And I think you’re missing the point that it’s supposed to be fun - they have player piano rolls and wax tubes for goodness sake.

About the 90s though - people used gameboys. People used PCs. Those devices had tons of music and music culture. Chiptunes, mod music makers and players, the demo scene are all late 80s into early 90s. The very first sound blaster card wasn’t even launched until November 1989; before then it was all pc speakers.

On the streets in the 1990s, people used walkmans, listened to tapes; in cars eight track was nostalgic, people listened to the radio and their tapes a lot. I didn’t have my first portable CD player until 1997 or so.

jdalgetty

9 months ago

Wow - what an amazing site!

cobertos

9 months ago

Hmm, isn't this just a co-opting of things smaller creators are doing?

It's just done at a much larger scale, with the aim of making money instead of curiosity/funny memery

oreilles

9 months ago

Smaller creators are also doing it for money, and Green Day and Brain are also doing this out of funny memery.

peoplefromibiza

9 months ago

Am I going to listen to the whole album after seeing this?

Of course I am!

me_me_me

9 months ago

I remember reading article about illegal western music in Soviet times.

Creating vinyls out of xray images sounded ingenious, its amazing to hear one now.

bagels

9 months ago

These are all great. Unfortunately it would just be another thing to collect dust on the shelf, realistically.

swayvil

9 months ago

This is green day?

I have no feelings.

90s? Ween of course.

motohagiography

9 months ago

i liked the idea because it implies there could be an unlimited number of new art projects that can drive new streaming revenue of back catalog music.

then I saw the $0.003-0.005 per stream figure on spotify, and so your max upside for getting 1M plays is $50. At $50/M 10M plays might buy 1 dinner for the band.

they actually make more selling the teddy ruxpins. maybe someone had a warehouse full of them and this clears them?

vessenes

9 months ago

To be clear, this is a raffle, and there are limited editions of each item. There is no way this is going to make money directly - it’s a fun fan engagement give away, and super creative. If I win one of 100 game boy cartridges, I will pay $39, which is probably close to the unit cost of making them, and will never pay back the software engineering time to create the cartridge. I assume most of the items are like that.

phonon

9 months ago

That's $3,000 to $5,000 per million. Or did you mean the Roman M?

motohagiography

9 months ago

walked right into that, as was thinking in terms of fractions of a cent instead of fractions of a dollar.

bitwize

9 months ago

They are only offering one Teddy Ruxpin.

snickerbockers

9 months ago

3 * 10^-3 * 10^6 == 3 * 10^3 == $3000 per million streams, not $30.

a3w

9 months ago

Site does not load, but for that conclusion, it takes forever. What is supposed to happen? Firefox w/ ublock origin.

eigenrick

9 months ago

I'm on Firefox with ublock origin and it works just fine.

Either way... the site is a store.. of sorts... for Greenday's "Dookie" album, where the songs are mixed down into various bizarre formats. They said de-mastered, and I was hoping that they were actually releasing the individual tracks. Sad.

user

9 months ago

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fitsumbelay

9 months ago

FF with ublock here, not seeing any difference between this and Chrome

toufique

9 months ago

This album got me into music!

jshchnz

9 months ago

this is so freaking cool

DrNosferatu

9 months ago

One of these tracks as an Opus file, 1.44MB long, shouldn't be that bad sound quality.

...but then, what would be the point? ;)

scosman

9 months ago

amazing album. amazing concept.

pwenzel

9 months ago

As someone who listened to music from this album on a shitty clock radio growing up, this feels perfect.

matltc

9 months ago

Best shit I've heard in a while

sva_

9 months ago

A bit disappointing that the site itself requires 6.5MB to be transferred.

SirFatty

9 months ago

I never really understood the 'punk' genre assignment for this band.

nunez

9 months ago

Surprising take.

Their sound and ethos is undeniably pop punk.

They played Gilman St, a punk mecca in Berkeley. See some of their shows in the 90s and 00s. If you don't think that's punk, I don't know what to tell you.

They didn't do much fast skate punk type stuff like NOFX and No Use did, but punk is a super wide genre anyway; to me, it's about what you are, not how you play (see also: second wave ska a la Reel Big Fish and No Doubt, or country cow-punk, like Hank Williams III)

They leaned harder on the "pop" aspect of pop punk (American Idiot is widely considered one of the first punk operas ever made and is one of the best-selling rock albums ever) and experimented with their sound over the years (check out their stuff from the 2010s) but they never lost their edge, IMO (They dropped Saviors this year; incredible album.)

Regardless, they inspired a zillion punk bands of all kinds. Hell, FOD, one of my favorite pop punk bands from The Netherlands, was inspired by FOD, which is on this record!

jghn

9 months ago

> See some of their shows in the 90s and 00s

I think this is part of the tension.

By the mid-90s, "punk" had evolved from something that was a small band of weirdos into something larger. For instance normal, run of the mill high school kids were shopping the aesthetic at Hot Topic. I'm not suggesting this was good nor bad. But there was a huge culture shift happening. At a minimum, the punk aesthetic had shifted into the mainstream and poppier acts like Green Day helped to make that happen.

So folks who had been used to getting made fun of and beat up for being punks in the 80s weren't always super happy to see this shift. Again, not suggesting they had the right to feel this way or not. But it happened.

In general countercultures built around nonconformity have these tensions. Participants preach the nonconformity, but then reject people who don't fit a certain aesthetic. Participants preach openness, but then get upset when too many people join. It's just how it goes.

lawgimenez

9 months ago

Brett of Bad Religion said that Nirvana’s Bleach was the first punk album that lead the way of how Rancid and Green Day’s sound today. Or made punk rock mainstream back then.

boomboomsubban

9 months ago

Wow, the "is Green Day punk" argument also turned thirty. Probably older, I'm sure someone had it before Dookie.

DowagerDave

9 months ago

A lot of punk has always had an anti-success edge, which seems really unfair. It should be more about DIY and freedom outside what was (in the 90's) a very restrictive, fixed business model. NOFX are the best of example of the punk aesthetic, but Green Day (the pop-punk band, not the Celtic folk band^) didn't sell out while achieving stratospheric success.

^Community reference

rootusrootus

9 months ago

> A lot of punk has always had an anti-success edge

I think you hit it on the nail. What makes some people uptight about Green Day being punk is not the music -- because objectively, punk's pretty much on point. It's the fact that they were wildly successful. Can't be punk any more when that happens.

jghn

9 months ago

Sort of. Even before their commercial success this issue was coming up. Granted the commercial success turned the knob to 11. There were already debates about their sound, that it was too poppy and mainstream sounding.

Whether or not an ethos espousing rejecting authority should be applying authority on what other people sound like is another matter altogether :)

joekrill

9 months ago

> didn't sell out while achieving stratospheric success.

Their Keurig "partnership" might suggest otherwise. And it's not just because they've partnered with a huge corporation. But mainly because their coffee company - "Punk Bunny Coffee" - puts a huge emphasis on "sustainability". And while Keurig says sustainability is important, their actions suggest the exact opposite.

hunter2_

9 months ago

> while Keurig says sustainability is important, their actions suggest the exact opposite

The term is loose enough to possibly refer to making the business (not human life generally) be sustainable, though the green[day]washing angle is more likely.

petesergeant

9 months ago

> A lot of punk has always had an anti-success edge

Alternative take: punk, as enjoyed by the connoisseur, sounds terrible to people who don't like punk, which limits its success

jghn

9 months ago

No it is much older. I remember longstanding debates on alt.punk in USENET on this very topic before Dookie came out.

slg

9 months ago

There are few things more punk that spawning a 30+ year argument about them not being punk enough to be considered punk. They don't conform enough to the standards of the non-conformists?

hluska

9 months ago

I haven’t participated in this conversation since Kerplunk was released!

San Francisco punk was always a little different but Green Day was part of the late 80s/early 90s punk scene in the Bay Area. It was all centered around 924 Gilman Street.

acomjean

9 months ago

It’s kinda punk pop. It has the intensity of punk. It definitely had the mosh pit element to it. I remember it being more intense than the grunge that was popular at the time.

It was on MTV alot. But then again so were Primus and Faith No More. It was a different time.

I was at the attempted free show in Boston in the 90s that ended after just a few songs.

https://youtu.be/O7cJUUZIvNk?si=Yr7ivWCICTC0MTi7

I thought I'd seen the end of the singing bass trophy, but if it has to come back this is a good way.

drcongo

9 months ago

This is getting downvoted, but I'd never even heard them referred to as punk before. And as a British former punk, I don't understand it either.

mmastrac

9 months ago

They were punk, just mainstream, pop punk. It was a common label for them in North America in the 90s.

a57721

9 months ago

I think "pop punk" is a good term, for me it's about the sound and delivery, it has nothing to do with commercial success, being "posers" etc. I think it's kind of evident from the music itself why someone who likes Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Big Black, or GG Allin may not appreciate Green Day, NOFX and the likes (and vice versa). It's in the sound itself, ignoring the lyrics and everything else. Many bands without any mainstream success still play pop punk.

jghn

9 months ago

I think of punk as being three completely separate variables, and for any individual or band they're independent of each other:

1) Ethos

2) Aesthetics/look & feel

3) Musical sound

So someone could be punk as fuck ethos-wise but love listening to Yanni. Meanwhile a band could have a straight up anarcho-punk sound, but otherwise be white collar wage slaves

But this is the root of so much disagreement. When Green Day started ascending in the 80s, people were pointing out the poppy music as not being "punk". But that's just one variable.

doublerabbit

9 months ago

You missed the fourth. Rebellion

Punk is about rebellion, pop-punk is a good umbrella term as they had rebellious vibes but to call Green Day punk is a bit of a stretch.

jghn

9 months ago

I was including that as part of `Ethos`. DYI, anti-authority, etc.

hunter2_

9 months ago

> Many bands without any mainstream success still play pop punk.

The irony extends to the fact that while someone can play in the style of pop without being mainstream, they cannot literally be pop until they're popular. But if pop requires being popular and punk requires shunning the mainstream, pop punk couldn't exist. The fact that it does is therefore a bit of a paradox.

mattw2121

9 months ago

As a former North American Punk, they were posers, not punks.

rootusrootus

9 months ago

Ha! The amount of gatekeeping on the definition of punk that I've lived through makes me feel so old, but it also tickles me a little to see it come up again today. The more things change ...

DowagerDave

9 months ago

Saying I'm punk, and you are not punk, is about the least punk thing you can do.

bryanrasmussen

9 months ago

what about working for an investment bank? How punk is that on the scale?

baggachipz

9 months ago

Given how often they break laws, ignore social norms, and thumb their noses at authorities... pretty damn punk.

criddell

9 months ago

It could be very high on the scale. Like punks, bankers often don't ask for permission.

user

9 months ago

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mmastrac

9 months ago

The classic No True Punksman fallacy.

ipaddr

9 months ago

Anyone who releases an album for sale is a poser. Trying to make money from music is unpunk.

anthomtb

9 months ago

As a self-confessed "former punk", do you really deserve to make that assessment?

barakm

9 months ago

“One, two, three, four

Who’s punk what’s the score?”

Get outta here with the gatekeeping

elcomet

9 months ago

Which band do you consider as punk?

burningChrome

9 months ago

Misfits

Black Flag

Ramones

TSOL

SNFU

Dead Kennedy's

Bad Brains

Descendents

Minor Threat

I think Punk was in its heyday in the 80's. I think its evolved over time and many people don't believe "pop punk" is really considered "punk" even though a lot of the themes we saw in the 80's punk bands are very clear and present in Green Day's music.

Which then begs the question what really defines punk music? I'm honestly not sure because many of the hallmarks of the 80's punk was the poor production, guitars out of tune, singers who couldn't sing very well - all of which have been greatly improved when you consider Green Day's music.

Billy Joe Armstrong is a phenomenal singer. Even on Dookie, the producer said a majority of the songs he did in a single take - which is staggering to think about. Their musical abilities are unquestionably much better than any of the 80's punk bands. Tre Cool's drumming is just on another level and I'm not sure many 80's era punk band drummers could ever hang with his abilities. Even the production level of Dookie was light years ahead of many of the seminal punk albums that came out in the 80's.

Its easy to claim that Green Day isn't a "real" punk band, but when you start to compare them to the "prototypical" bands in the 80's, they sing about many of the same things, but have elevated the genre beyond what its really been known for. In the end, I have a harder time not calling them punk, there's just too many similarities to many of the most popular bands people know.

doublerabbit

9 months ago

> Which then begs the question what really defines punk music?

Rebellion against the mass.

Sex Pistols, The Ramones, Joy Division are some of the leading pioneers of the movement.

The 80's I would say is more toward post-punk. This split off in to Goth with The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees then genres such as New Wave, Synth with the likes of Depeche Mode and Gary Numan.

The same as grunge did in the US with Nirvana and the likes. I would say that Grunge was America's post-punk phase.

90's then saw the age of pop, and pop-punk came from that. Media was more available.

While Green Day held strong lyrics it's wasn't it. It didn't have the true spirit of punk. It was more rebellious against your parents as a teenager type vibe rather than take down the nation like prior. But I stand to be corrected.

I've never really liked Blink, Offspring and Green Day. I was to busy being script kiddie, 13 listening to chiptunes and goth.

audiodude

9 months ago

I saw a YouTube video from (I think) Punk Rock MBA that says that the difference between "Pop Punk" and "Punk" has nothing to do with the sound of the music, or even how popular the band is (The Clash played stadium shows), but more to do with the idea of the guys from Blink 182 hosting MTV Spring Break. It's about band members acting like legitimate pop stars instead of street kids.

user

9 months ago

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pwillia7

9 months ago

Uh oh... Nintendo intellectual property?

RIP in peace

ndeast

9 months ago

The cash grabs from this band is insane, they are basically KISS at this point.

vm

9 months ago

Very limited editions, with sone items having just one edition. This won’t make much money.

Looks like a cool art project.

joezydeco

9 months ago

It's a middle finger at the bands that do a cashgrab with reissues at every anniversary. So, the opposite of KISS.