Kris Kristofferson has died

162 pointsposted 15 hours ago
by coloneltcb

31 Comments

aanet

9 hours ago

Kris Kristofferson was one of my fav song-writers. For the longest time, I thought _Me and Bobby McGee_ was Janis Joplin's original song, until I learnt it was Kris' writing. He actually wrote it for a woman named Bobby... the rest is history. [1]

A Golden Globe-winning actor, Golden Gloves boxer, Rhodes scholar, author, U.S. Army veteran, pilot, and onetime record-label janitor. A full fledged Renaissance man. They sure don't make 'em like that anymore.

Whattay guy! RIP Kris. Thanks for all the enduring songs!!

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNblxfWTWU4

cafard

9 minutes ago

I once heard or read an interview with him on NPR, saying that he wrote the song at a time when he was working flying helicopters to oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. This had the odd effect of reminding me of the distance between Baton Rouge and New Orleans, and calling into question size of the truck driver's repertory of songs.

rob74

3 hours ago

> He actually wrote it for a woman named Bobby...

Bobby being short for... Roberta? But then again, after I recently saw female pop singer Taylor Swift watching male tennis player Taylor Fritz at the US Open, I realized that some American first names are just... flexible.

jetrink

an hour ago

It's pretty common in the US for a name that is traditionally associated with boys become unisex (Taylor) or even prominently female (Lauren). Typically it is an uncommon male name (so not, e.g. John or Brian) that sees a sudden increase in popularity and becomes unisex. Some other examples include Leslie, Casey, Jordan, Morgan, Addison, and Riley. I can't think of any examples of the reverse off the top of my head.

A chart of this phenomenon for Taylor:

https://engaging-data.com/baby-name-visualizer/?n=taylor&sex...

cafard

2 minutes ago

"Jordan" goes some ways back--there is a woman named Jordan in The Great Gatsby.

And it isn't entirely an American phenomenon: the critic Clive James was named Vivian James at birth, but the actress Vivian Leigh more or less claimed the name for the female sex when Gone With the Wind came out. James or his family fell back on his middle name to spare him teasing.

bdndndndbve

an hour ago

There's many English names that aren't gendered ex. Morgan, Casey, Charlie, Jayme (plus Taylor and Bobby as mentioned previously)

maxerickson

37 minutes ago

Even the ones that aren't are flexible.

js2

8 hours ago

Kristofferson standing up for Sinead O'Connor shortly after her SNL appearance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKeJifOXAnA

He later wrote a song for/about her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HwWDOQoCBM

The guy was a mensch.

MarcScott

an hour ago

Don't care that it was a bomb at the box office, I really enjoyed Heaven's Gate.

I also loved Convoy. My kids and I still troll my wife by including the theme song on almost every playlist we create.

Zobat

an hour ago

- Don't care that it was a bomb at the box office, I really enjoyed Heaven's Gate.

Ok, with English as a second language and not familiar with Kris body of works I read this as a quote from a song. Took me way too long to realize the intended meaning. As a line of song lyrics it rocks hard but doesn't really roll off the tongue.

edit: of > off

mkovach

39 minutes ago

"You ever seen a duck that couldn't swim? Quack, quack!"

It's still one of my favorite "I can't sleep" movies.

mentalgear

an hour ago

Kristofferson said that he would like the first three lines of Leonard Cohen's "Bird on the Wire" on his tombstone:

    Like a bird on the wire
    Like a drunk in a midnight choir
    I have tried in my way to be free
source: Kristofferson wikipedia page

dang

10 hours ago

His pedigree as a Rhodes scholar always fascinated me. Not many of those land a helicopter on Johnny Cash's lawn.

wheels

6 hours ago

It's true, but there are more well educated alternative country musicians than one might guess.

Willie Nelson went to Baylor (but didn't finish) and Lyle Lovett has a degree in German literature from Texas A&M. Robert Earl Keen also graduated from A&M. Lucinda Williams's dad is a poet and literature professor. Emmylou Harris went to UNC and Boston University. Hell, even George Straight and Garth Brooks have degrees. That's not quite Rhodes Scholar, but perhaps not entirely expected?

jhbadger

9 hours ago

He did a sketch on SNL back in the day making fun of his scholarly background, suggesting that he originally was going to title his famous song "Bobby McGee and I" before taking a course in "how to speak country".

thorin

4 hours ago

Leonard Cohen was of course a highly educated writer and poet. Brian May is famously a doctor of astrophysics and still has an interest in research. I guess most musicians get laser focussed on it at a young age and don't have the need to study anything else.

telesilla

an hour ago

His version of A Star is Born, with Strisand, is a masterpiece that will be sadly overshadowed by the inferior Gaga/Cooper attempt, the 1976 version reaches perfect notes in the height of rock hedonism and it's comedown. Kristifferson nailed it.

https://youtu.be/FbVXxuykP_M?si=7bQbtVgcU3IrGJev

acjohnson55

9 hours ago

That dude didn't leave much on the table, in terms of life experiences. RIP.

082349872349872

14 hours ago

> Quack, quack! ... You ever see a duck couldn't swim? —MP