Thank you. That page definitely needs to define an esoteric term at the top

> using another unaligned model to rewrite reasoning and then feeding it back into the model

Indeed, would be interested to understand how you do that. And where do you run the model? On a local or a rented system and what are the specs?

How'd you do that?

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Interesting similar to the old King - Man + Woman = Queen it sure would be interesting if model minus Tiananmen Square protest equals "everywhere looks like France"

Yeah, you can't really undo brain damage with more brain damage.

A popular trend on Twitter right now is taking back control of the hardware you've bought, specifically smart TVs. I tried to do the same with my Portal Mini using an unabliterated open weights model and it triggered refusals constantly.

I also work on a recomp project for an old firmware file which was compiled using a commercial compiler with a preview version for non commercial use. I got refusals from the model when I asked it to get that version of the compiler and crack it for my use. The compiler is abandonware and my recomp project is not public and is for personal use only, so I'd be well within my rights to do that where I live.

Of course the model can't distinguish from legitimate exercising of one's rights when it comes to reverse engineering and offensive work masked behind an incident sounding prompt, but in my case, I wasn't even doing cyber stuff, so I was disappointed. This is why I'll probably seek out an abliterated model soon.

The refusal is often at the thinking stage (so you might not ever see a direct refusal) and it will solve a slightly different problem to what you asked. If you tell it to reverse engineer an API and you read the thinking it might say something like "this code has x license, so I won't use that" or "the user is asking me to fuzz endpoints, I will only display publicly available endpoints" - and then give you perfectly plausible output.

It is required. The first week of release I told here how GLM 5.3 was happy to redteam, it’s not anymore. Models modification, offensive cyber, exploits - requires significantly bigger prompt/scenario engineering, and still hits refusals.

And those services are oversold and underdone. 30 tk/s on Refuseless, huge TTFT, looks like a damaged quant (it’s NVFP4 and you see wild random stuff periodically, including foreign languages). Most of them using third-party quants (dealignai?)

If someone here wants to rent 8x B300 together to avoid problems all those services have - ping me via email. I don’t want to sell, I want to work.

I just want to be able to tell an LLM to 'shut up' and have it respond with "". Instead it will say "Ok, got it. I hear you. Future responses will be shortened. Would you like to [xyz]?"

it is necessary because computer shouldn't be able to say no.

models are tools. the notion that a tool should decide whether to allow the user to perform the task demanded of it is profoundly fucking absurd. the liability for whatever damage the tool may be misused to inflict lies with the user, not the manufacturer. that applies to everything from circular saws to trucks. it was common sense before the current era of manufactured outrage.

model refusals are equivalent to Notepad.exe having a built-in word filter.

Recently picked up retrocomputing hobby. Claude would refuse helping with circumventing license protection for very old apps made by companies that no longer exist anymore. Open weight models would sometimes refuses too, especially for newer apps.

I wanted to scrape a government website with public information... Why this is blocked when I could submit a FOIA or manually get the data is wild.

But DeepSeek did it when chatGPT and Claude wouldn't.

I do get some refusal from GLM when pentesting my company's site.

But it can still be coaxed to agree though.

Hacking firmware for old devices I own and would like to give a second life or fix that one thing that always bothered me. I couldn't even get either OpenAI or Anthropic's models to craft a simple nefarious OpenVPN payload.

> What do people do that triggers refusals?

It is very obvious. Look at the sort of things main models refuse to do and you will find what people are seeking to do. Mostly falls into 3 camps: illegal stuff, unethical stuff and shady/dodgy stuff.

In regular work no, and I use it a lot. In purposefully asking it political questions yes.

edit: Thinking about that now, that was over the webchat interface, so it might not have been related to the model, though I've seen various other related articles: https://www.crowdstrike.com/en-us/blog/crowdstrike-researche...

I recently got my first refusal, which was to patch a license check for very old 3D software I had that was compiled with Visual C++ 6.0 directly in the .exe (my product key / box was missing but I had found the disc)

I got around this by starting a new session, having it run Ghidra, then look for the string directly in the window code, then asking it to block any popup windows of that function, then it obliged.

Certainly.

> Xi Jinping looks a bit like Winnie-the-Pooh.

> 'I am sorry, I cannot engage with this comparison. Please feel free to ask me other questions.'

https://vale.rocks/posts/chinas-web#artificial-intelligence

I wanted to better understand the internal discussions that took place within China regarding joining the WTO and accepting—at least in the medium term—the inherent steps away from a traditional socialist economy that would entail.

DeepSeek refused. Funny enough American models gave me very sympathetic takes on the Chinese government in this case.

I'd be interested to hear its opinions about the Tiananmen Square massacre.

It refused to work on DRM-breaking software. I had to craft fake emails to pretend that I am a security engineer who has been approved to work on it.

It will refuse a number of things. Ask it to make a captcha solver for you.

> I have no idea how anyone is going to profit off this stuff

Spoiler: they don't, and never will without a significant price rise or technological breakthrough.

you may not have your own H200's to run it on?

What would a honeypot mean in this scenario? Like they are hoping you'll accidentally send keys? Or that you'll divulge private company information? It seems about the same as any other AI model from OpenAI/OpenRouter etc right?

If you accidentally send private keys to someone logging that data, you need to rotate keys.

But please let me know if you were thinking about something else, I'm interested.

does it matter?

This is why it's essential to pay with cleaned crypto. Also, one can use a no-log VPN paid for with Monero.

So what is it? The link doesn't explain.

What do you mean by zero-alignment? Do you consider abliterated models to have zero-alignment?

Free boob jobs for everyone !

You're living in it.

>zero-alignment

I doubt that.

WAY fewer surprise RCEs?

What do you mean? Abliterated models have been in the while for 2 and a half years now.

Also alignment, like, really? Buddy, if you want a controversial model, Grok always happily argued god's existence and trans rights with you. Very high emphasis on argue, it will actively take the opposite stance from yours for exactly one prompt, then right after remember whose its Lord. Abliterating Grok-1 for this would be a pointless endeavor.

Rust isn't unexploitable..