paxy
11 hours ago
All online discussions these days are like those chain email forwards of the last generation.
“Omg did you know that AI researchers are taking up smoking because they think AI will cure cancer??”
Oh really, which researchers?
“I don’t know.”
How many of them? One or many?
“I don’t know.”
What company do they work for?
“I don’t know. But I’m sure it’s Anthropic.”
How do you even know this?
“I saw it on someone’s TikTok.”
So if there are zero verifiable sources why do you believe this?
“Because it sounds fun, and confirms my biases. Now I’m going to forward this to a hundred other people or I’ll have bad luck.”
This is a meaningless example but this is true for so much more.
arxell
11 hours ago
This statement that AI researchers are taking up smoking was made by Alexander Karp (CEO of Palantir), who just personally bought 37,000 acres of Swedish forest land, presumably in preparation for some form of AI-related geopolitical fallout. It was absolutely not a peer reviewed study or any sort of survey. It was likely something he heard in passing, a less-than-half-serious joke, or just a subjective questionable observation based on an N of a few. Regardless, this narrative was only picked up and amplified by media because he is the CEO of Palantir. He himself is a cigar smoker. Take that for what you will. I have seen no evidence that it is true -but if it were, I'd imagine there would be other indulgences, vices and financial/credit opportunities much more likely to be observed than smoking.
paxy
11 hours ago
And we all know that CEOs famously never lie or make up “facts” to sell their products.
Has a single researcher come out and backed up this story?
> who just personally bought 37,000 acres of Swedish forest land, presumably in preparation for some form of AI-related geopolitical fallout
Ultra rich guy put some land in his investment portfolio. What a shocker!!
pessimizer
7 hours ago
You've moved the goal posts. What we do all know is that when CEOs of huge, geopolitically important international military-contracting megacorporations say or do things things that are surprising, it is newsworthy.
So your theory about no-nothings talking about nothing that they heard nowhere because it makes them feel good because they are self-indulgent fools might be worth giving up.
Now you've devolved to complaining about people noticing things. Do you think that your declaring those things not notable might be because they agree with your preconceived notions about "ultra rich guys" and the totally random things they do for no particular reason?
paxy
6 hours ago
Karp actually didn't make the statement at all, and the fact that you yourself made it up (or perpetuated the lie) is exactly what I'm talking about.
jassyr
10 hours ago
Karp is known for cross-country skiing, so the Swedish forest land is likely related to that and not fallout.
ishouldnotbutk8
10 hours ago
Ironically
>CEO of Palantir bought 37,000 acres of Swedish forest land in preparation for some form of AI-related geopolitical fallout
is the kind of online discussion GP complains about
ks2048
11 hours ago
The original quote was from Shyam Sankar, CTO of Palantir, not Karp.
the__alchemist
10 hours ago
I heard it was Tim Cook, CEO of OpenAI.
HeyLaughingBoy
10 hours ago
When did he change his name from Tim Apple?
montagg
10 hours ago
Since there’s a new John Apple
vanschelven
11 hours ago
Thus proving the original point: it's hearsay all the way down
Arodex
9 hours ago
It's literally linked in the article you didn't read.
vanschelven
6 hours ago
All online discussions these days are like those chain email forwards of the last generation. <= this is the original point
This statement that AI researchers are taking up smoking was made by Alexander Karp (CEO of Palantir) <= this is is a wrong statement as per the link in the article I very much did read.
The original quote was from Shyam Sankar, CTO of Palantir, not Karp. <= this is someone that points out the statement is wrong, thereby proving the original point.
Clear now?
bigbuppo
8 hours ago
He bought 37,000 acres of forest land because who wouldn't buy 37,000 acres of forest land if they had the means and opportunity to buy 37,000 acres of forest land?
LogicFailsMe
5 hours ago
If I could afford 37,000 acres of forest land, I'd tighten my belt a bit and buy a whole 50,000 myself. You can never be too sure!
Arodex
9 hours ago
There is literally a link in the article giving the correct attribution and source.
everyday7732
8 hours ago
Did you follow the link? It's another article quoting an anecdote from a CBS interview. It's not an actual statistic from a reputable survey or anything. This is what OP was saying - it's a fuckin telephone game. Chinese whispers. The rumour mill.
christkv
11 hours ago
I'm not sure Sweden is where I would try to hide out if the world was ending.
sicher
10 hours ago
Where would you go? (Asking for a friend)
christkv
9 hours ago
And island big enough to sustain itself preferable not with with winters as you will need energy (panels), food and barrier.
A collapsed society in a place like Northern Europe would be terrible as it relies on a lot of complex technology to keep the modern lifestyle going. None of the Scandinavian countries are self sufficient in food.
kentm
7 hours ago
Basically, New Zealand, which is why it was a favorite for billionaire bunkers.
ilteris
10 hours ago
Why? Genuinely curious
wolvoleo
9 hours ago
It's ice cold especially in winter. Winters are super dark and miserable.
I'd find some remote Pacific island personally :) Or New Zealand.
wolvoleo
6 hours ago
PS: I don't mean to talk Sweden down but it's definitely not for me. I've been there for work and it's just not my kind of culture. Very indoors, streets dead quiet after 19:00 even in summer, brrr. I could not live like that :) And really long darkness in winter just gets me super depressed.
But I know some people love it. Everyone is different <3
kaffekaka
5 hours ago
I like Sweden but fall and winter sure are dark. Can totally understand why it might be a bad fit for many people.
tim333
2 hours ago
I'd thought it was all nonsense but there is actually a Times article with two named smokers:
>Avi Schiffmann, a 23-year-old AI founder living in San Francisco’s Bay Area, is among those embracing tobacco at a time when the habit has largely gone out of fashion among health-conscious young Americans... Schiffman runs Friend, a startup that has created a $249 pendant that functions as a wearable companion to cure loneliness.
and
>Stephen Campbell, 27, the co-founder of Revamp AI, said smoking had become a networking opportunity for young entrepreneurs who, until now, had rarely left their desks.
and
>Another San Francisco tech worker said: “My very strong belief is that AI is going to solve a lot of human healthcare issues and that we will see cancer cured over the next 20 years through an AI-powered breakthrough. This gives me no incentive to quit.”
Seems more twenty something founders who think it's cool rather than Anthropic guys.
hackyhacky
11 hours ago
> “Because it sounds fun, and confirms my biases. Now I’m going to forward this to a hundred other people or I’ll have bad luck.”
That's also how politics has worked since (at least) 2015. Who needs evidence about outlandish claims when the vibes are right?
Anyway, me and my friends are going to go eat some cats and dogs.
win311fwg
11 hours ago
> That's also how politics has worked since (at least) 2015.
You accidentally added 1, 2, and 5.
margalabargala
9 hours ago
Nah, politics was this way since way before the Roman Empire.
I think their date was pretty close, they just left off the BCE.
rustyzig
9 hours ago
Nah. 2015 BCE is still way too late in the game. It is clearly not using the Gregorian calendar. 2015 is only remotely plausible under Holocene.
datsci_est_2015
11 hours ago
Is this material to the core thesis of this microblogpost?
> Many of his descriptions sound strikingly similar to the rhetoric coming out of places like Anthropic. For example, note the religious overtones of working at a corporation
Just browse a little bit on Twitter or this forum and you’ll have gobs of examples of religious fervor masquerading as techno-enlightenment
jacquesm
10 hours ago
No need to go to Twitter, you can do that right here.
RetroTechie
10 hours ago
When a company publicly proclaims "omg, unchecked development will lead to AI destroying humanity!" (or similar), how brave/stupid would an employee have to be to go against the grain & *publicly* proclaim an opposing viewpoint?
Chances are their paycheck requires enough bravery/stupidity that few (if any) dare to deviate from company groupthink too much.
Employee accepts & lives by that long enough, and they might as well be part of a religious cult.
That religious angle could be just similarities in the psychology / group dynamics involved. Same mechanics -> same patterns observed.
paxy
11 hours ago
It is literally their entire thesis.
They claim AI researchers aren’t saving money in 401k because they believe there will be an AI utopia.
Which researchers? Can you name a few? Is there any proof of this trend?
Heck if anything AI researchers have bigger bank balances than all of us. They’ll be fine for the future no matter what.
datsci_est_2015
11 hours ago
Guess the microblogpost is too ill-formed if anyone can claim any single sentence of it as its thesis.
layer8
10 hours ago
Sankar may have gotten it from this article: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/articles/silicon-smokers-mee...
ZeroGravitas
10 hours ago
Is this parody?
> Jamie, a crypto alum who asked not to share his last name, met a backer for his raw milk startup at a Miami kava bar. The crowd was "50% recovering opioid addicts from Appalachia and 50% Wall Street and Silicon Valley refugees looking for shelter from taxes, pandemic restrictions, and leftist ideological hegemony," he says. A crowd accumulated in the corner, smoking.
> He struck up a conversation with a jacked, Harley-riding investor while chain-smoking Marlboro Reds. Jamie told the investor about his startup, and the two talked about alternative wellness between drags. A week later, the investor signed a check. Smoking poles put him in pole position.
It's all weird but specifically "smoking poles" has a different meaning as far as I'm aware. I can't quickly Google up anyone using "pole" to mean cigarette.
mathisfun123
9 hours ago
Smoking pole means sucking dick lol so actually as tongue in cheek (no pun intended) it actually kind of works (ie someone got VC by quid pro quo sexual favors)
vanschelven
11 hours ago
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
BTW in this case we happen to know one of the chains in the game of Chinese Whispers was the CTO of Palantir... this may or may not influence your beliefs
ks2048
11 hours ago
There are real quotes from notable people.
The article pointed to a quote from Palantir CTO.
There is also a quote from Avi Schiffmann - founder of AI wearable friend. "By the time you do get lung cancer, our AI robots are supposed to have cured that," Schiffmann says.
Both quotes may have been said in the sense of them not supporting this idea, but acknowledging an attitude of some of not worrying about long-term planning.
cortesoft
10 hours ago
This is how gossip and urban legends and other myths have always spread. The difference is the size of the network and how much distance a myth can travel in a very short time.
Now, the entire world can share the same piece of gossip, and it takes on an entirely different quality when it is global instantly.
Buttons840
11 hours ago
I also like to be explicit about whether we're talking about general trends, or one specific case. People often try to establish general trends by talking about one specific case.
paimapi
11 hours ago
https://fortune.com/2026/10/13/palantir-cto-shyam-sankar-ai-...
Not saying this is a good source and not just glorified marketing bullshit but it's a legitimately sourced thing that probably should be treated with more skepticism
armchairhacker
10 hours ago
Old Internet culture isn't dead, after all.
keybored
11 hours ago
> This is a meaningless example but
And the details are made up, but it is funny if we pretend it’s true.
Almondsetat
10 hours ago
You did exactly what you are criticizing others for doing
mathisfun123
10 hours ago
People love saying this as a gotcha. Please do tell how so.
bnegreve
9 hours ago
In both cases, one person is outraged by some comment made by someone undetermined on the internet.
mathisfun123
9 hours ago
I don't see anyone outraged? I see someone commenting on how internet "discourse" is just gossip when it used to be fairly rigorous. Which is accurate, especially here on hn where almost every comment just repeats something from another post ("modular is going to change world" as if we all didn't see the modular content marketing piece just above.....)
FYI accusing someone of being outraged to distract from their point is called "appeal to emotion". Whether op is outraged or not has no bearing on whether the observation is accurate.
Almondsetat
10 hours ago
Can we see all these posts where those questions were asked with those answers?
axegon_
10 hours ago
In all fairness, I wouldn't be surprised if the claims are true, given all the psychosis and cult-like behavior within all slop corps. It honestly feels like the Virgin Mary episode of South Park.
paxy
9 hours ago
“The claim isn’t true but I wouldn’t be surprised if it were true so I’m going to believe it and further solidify my opinion on the topic” is the exact kind of bias people are talking about.
Why would you not be surprised if the claims are true? Because you have read hundreds of made up stories like this one on internet forums. It’s all a self perpetuating bullshit machine.
axegon_
7 hours ago
No, because anthropic, google, nvidia, openai, etc. employees are publicly acting like lunatics. In fact I know lunatics that act way more sane than them.
paxy
6 hours ago
Which employees? How are they acting like "lunatics"? Are there any examples? What percent of total employees does that represent? Is that more or less than the average amount of "lunatics" in this world?
Or is the answer to all of these "I don't know, I just feel this way."
axegon_
5 hours ago
I'd have to unblock linkedin and twitter from my Pihole and register(which I don't intend to do for the sake of my mental health) but literally anyone listed as an employee, just look them up yourself: All day long it's "the new model is so powerful, we must never release it", "we will all die in 6 months", "this is the end of humanity" and so on for weeks before they release the next slop-crapper and bump up the prices. It's literally like every Musk appearance on a new Tesla 10 years ago, or Apple or Microsoft or whatever. The whole AI fanaticism is exactly that: religious fanaticism with a new skin pack.
Arodex
9 hours ago
It is literally linked in the article (did you read it?), to daringfireball, to a CBS interview with the Anthropic CTO.
He may be repeating hearsay but he did say that in an official interview on topic, as a representative of his company.
paxy
9 hours ago
> linked in the article (did you read it?), to daringfireball, to a CBS interview with the Anthropic CTO.
Funny that you yourself didn’t click the link to see that it was the Palantir CTO who said it, not Anthropic. The Anthropic part is made up by daringfireball.
> Sankar doesn’t name anyone, alas, but if there’s any truth to this (and good god do I hope there is) it’s got to be Anthropic researchers specifically.
And the CTO isn’t speaking for his company. His own source is “there’s so many interesting stories around this”.
So everyone is reading stuff online and adding another layer to the bullshit, just like you yourself did right now.