We're probably living in VS-Code's world now.

It's no that fancy when is put in practical engineering terms. I've spend some time with the paper.

Paper describes such system whch has ability to enable/disable capabilities without process restart. Each plugin must follow specific shape: function to activate, function to deactivate it (both working, mutating the same shared context object), describe provided and required services. This, plus some ideas, like "every provider must outlive consumers when destructred" allows plug-n-play ensuring all dependencies are satisfied before the plugin is activated, lazy activation, and plugin deactivation/destruction.

how could the authors of frontierharness.org not see they used the exact same symbol for Claude Code and OhMyPi?

I wonder why there is no Github Copilot in the comparison. It also supports BYOK and is quite capable

i've seen "Pareto frontier" literally 500 thousand times in the last two weeks or so, and maybe once or twice before that. Can someone please explain what happened recently

Yeah, changing the font size doesn't sound like it belongs in a plug-in, long term.

Now, if only DeepSeek Harness were open source…

Deepseek harness seems good but this thread feels astroturfy

you do can change font size in settings, but not with keyboard shortcut. for some reason, they decided to limit font size to 17 max.

Can you elaborate? What's better about it vs. other harnesses? What can it do that others can't?

I'm not sure what you mean by it's a beast.

Is this for the DS API or with the local version?

What an ad! Do they pay you??

Just wait until I add coding to https://blackbear.app... it's going to be ridiculous.

(blackbear.app was developed entirely by a custom harness architecture)

Imagine the wild fire when maliciously crafted plugins start being created, as you know they already are...

> As models are getting better, harnessing will shrink

That can be true only for locally hosted models. The more supplied tools can do, the less data has to be exchanged with OpenAI/Anthropic servers. So bad harness means both higher lag and token usage.

On the contrary, I belive this will be the next battlefield.

My wild theory is that we already have AGI level models, but we are not yet using them correctly.

Pi is a great harness because you can customize it with the building blocks that make sense for you.

I think that harnesses for LLMs are as important as IDEs for languages.

It works fine with local models. I have it pointing at my strix halo running Qwen3.8 Flash Next, for example.

It's normally best to use the harness for the specific model. However, I found Cline is good with various models

If you're using Mistral Vibe installed on your computer, that is a harness. Vibe is one of many AI harnesses.

In general, a harness is something that lets your AI use tools on your computer and lets it work independently while you walk away. (Very simplified definition, not all harnesses are that automated.)

It's a long time since I tried Vibe, but when I did it was one of the worst. Back then it had broken support for MCP or computer use and other tools people now regard as near essential in AI. Hopefully Vibe is better now. Sadly Mistral are a long way behind.

The whole thing around the model that handles system prompt, skills, agents, cache, etc. For example codex, claude code, pi, oh-my-pi, ...

I wouldn't say flawlessly.

It currently does not work with Bun and it is somewhat complicated to run it in a remote docker container due to the its weird security model.

You can run it in server mode according to the docs.

https://github.com/deepseek-ai/deepseek-harness/blob/master/...

https://github.com/deepseek-ai/deepseek-harness/blob/master/...

it's a wrapper around a model that actually executes commands from text input. Claude Code is an harness : the underlying model is Claude (with the version of your choice), Claude produce text output like `grep -in "error" server.log` , Claude Code actually execute the code in your shell and return the output to the model

Yes! A real marketplace of ideas with automatic matching, like you can see who has the same ideas as you

Reminds me of some magic device from childrens book, don't remember its name, was like a glass ball where you could see what other people are up to

Teacher of mine spent almost 20 years getting access to his FBI file through FOIA requests. Apparently it was surprising how much of his life they didn't know about.

Children with no life have never had anything worth keeping private. Even the question of having nothing to hide is foreign if you've never done anything at all.

It's like that parable about God giving us free will. If or when the intelligence agencies manage to create a generation with nothing to hide, what will their purpose be? You might as well take field notes on birds or sheep.

> I wish there was a tool I could use to share my documents, activity, etc. directly with the world's major intelligence agencies.

oh, good old times of PRISM, rightly bygone. Of course they don't do this now.

I don't get it

Facebook? (But they get the money ...)

Your documents are worth endless breadsticks as long as you keep making new ones, puny human

The chinese will go and suck in all of your laptop and everything else from your network when you install this ;)

Thanks, was wondering why this is in the feed.

You don't have to use it. I don't use it. I still think it's really cool, and I've been thinking of trying to take ideas from it and integrate it into my own workflow. In particular, the session visualization tooling.

You can use it to write a plug-in to change the name to YAH Harness!

> I'm DeepSeek Harness, an open-source harness from DeepSeek built on Cordis's “everything is a plugin” architecture.

It's open source. Unlike Claude Code your beloved friend which is closed-source and uses steganography along with an astonishing array of telemetry and fingerprinting techniques to conduct intelligence analysis on its users.

As a non-American, I see handing my data to an American company as potentially just as risky as handing it to a Chinese company.

It's open source. Unlike Claude Code

Well under the current US administration as non-US citizens we kinda feel this sentiment about the US now fwiw.

Ahh! Not China! Real Americans™ let their data go to American™ companies!

The new danger is US administration and the current fascit regime. China has yet not topple a single government abroad, has not bombed a single country and has not tapped the phones of its allies.

Now don't down vote before understanding the definition of a fasict:

"A fascist is a person who advocates for or adheres to fascism, a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology."

China is none of that.

What if I use it in an isolated environment and only work on open source code with it?

> Your data goes to china.

What are they going to do? They have no jurisdiction over me.

I strongly prefer China having access to my personal data than the US.

better this than three-letter agencies from some nazi warmongering alternative

Is there a safer alternative? It’s not like I can trust OpenAI since they’ve proven that they’ll steal research from mathematicians. X is run by a sociopath. Anthropic is going to IPO so who can say how long they’ll be trustworthy…

I, too, enjoy CocaCola™ for its natural flavors and smooth mouthfeel...