bhouston
3 hours ago
The Houthis created a fake audio of a major Yemeni commander telling his troops to retreat which was subsequently amplified on Twitter/X, telegram, etc.
Apparently, this helped the Houthis advance quickly as the opposition forces were in disarray.
autoexec
2 hours ago
If that's true, it's insane that it worked. It should be obvious to not take orders from twitter. There's a chain of command for a reason and random people on social media are no part of it. Sounds like the opposition forces would have to be so stupid that any number of Looney Tunes style tricks would have worked. Maybe next they can send out a rabbit in a dress to make opposition fall in love with it.
BLKNSLVR
2 hours ago
Yep, the Commander In Chief only issues orders on Truth Social.
apexalpha
an hour ago
The US President routinely announces policy decisions on social media…
You’d lose a lot of money always waiting for news through officials channels.
Who knows how slow Yemini military channels are.
You’d bet your life on it?
autoexec
an hour ago
> The US President routinely announces policy decisions on social media…
Yes, our current President also does stupid things, and our military forces shouldn't be using his incoherent ramblings on Twitter to make snap judgements on the battlefield without checking with their chain of command either.
IAmBroom
11 minutes ago
> You’d bet your life on it?
This is why it succeeded: lizard brain decisions overcame training in the armed forces.
throwaway85825
16 minutes ago
This belies a fundamental misunderstanding of Yemeni society. Arab political structure is based on tribal loyalty. Leaders of tribes pledge allegiance to other tribes or coalitions of tribes. They're not part of the same command structure because such a thing does not exist. Usually instead of being defeated tribal loyalties change with the political winds and tribe leaders neogtioate with other leaders. Twitter is also ubiquitous in Arabia and the natural place for political announcements.
consumer451
2 hours ago
Twitter is huge in KSA. Much more significant a share than other countries. Something like 60% to 70% of the population are active users.
CommanderData
an hour ago
Donald duck lies every other minute, especially on Fridays it seems. Fog is a tactic of war and a way to make money I guess.
kryogen1c
2 hours ago
Can't read the Twitter link, but that sounds made up.
Where in the battlefield decision making process are they listening to social media recordings to make combat decisions?
lopsotronic
2 hours ago
If it was involving a reasonably solid military I would agree.
Sauds, on the other hand . . .
Arodex
2 hours ago
It gave demoralized soldiers an excuse to flee rather than fight. Nobody was going to question the reprieve offered by an order to retreat, even fake.
bpodgursky
2 hours ago
What do you think the chain of command looks like in the third world?
Even in the Russia/Ukraine conflict they use Telegram for basic operations. All chat applications are dual-use.
londons_explore
2 hours ago
And most chat apps are either e2e encrypted or HTTPS, both of which are hard to break for third world nations.
But leaks of those messages onto twitter are probably the most valuable info source for what the enemy is doing.
SoftTalker
an hour ago
Third world? Have we forgotten the Pete Hegseth Signal fiasco?
throwaway85825
12 minutes ago
The ship of state is the only vessel that leaks from the top.
kryogen1c
2 hours ago
> What do you think the chain of command looks like in the third world?
I have no idea, but Im certain that twitter recordings do not put frontline forces in disarray.
> use Telegram for basic operations
an encrypted private communication channel is very different than public social media
IAmBroom
9 minutes ago
> > What do you think the chain of command looks like in the third world?
> I have no idea, but Im certain that twitter recordings do not put frontline forces in disarray.
And yet as a counterexample: reality.
bpodgursky
2 hours ago
You have far, far too much faith in the professionalism of armed forces in the developing world. 99% of it is just random 22 year old guys with guns and dual-use communication tech.
kryogen1c
41 minutes ago
> too much faith in the professionalism
I dont know that its a matter of professionalism. Everyone in the world has known that AI can generate video and audio that is imperceptibly fake, for years. And thats to say nothing of man-made forgeries in the years prior.
I have a hard time seeing people on the front line throwing down arms and running away because of an unsourced twitter clip.
fluffybucktsnek
33 minutes ago
We, as in the terminally online, have known that AI can generate imperceptibly fake footage. There are still plenty of average people who still gets caught off guard.
bpodgursky
29 minutes ago
You gotta touch grass and get outside and talk to normies.
And then recognize that the normies you talk to are VASTLY MORE internet-savvy than the illiterate child soldiers on the front lines in Yemen. You have no concept of the info environment they live in. It is all magic electronic soup.
hn993302
an hour ago
If this is real, the interesting part is this Adelalhasanii user who amplified it. Seems like a Yemini who's supportive of the Houthis.
shevy-java
an hour ago
That sounds like a fake storyline. The much simpler explanation is that the local Saudi merc army sucked. If you followed the whole conflict in the last 20 years this is largely the case - the Saudis aren't really great at warfare, typically depending on foreign mercenaries (also for cleaning etc...). These in turn have very low morale.
consumer451
3 hours ago
Holy shit. This is really interesting. AI used to impersonate, social media to amplify, and that led to a significant tactical defeat?
I don't want to live in interesting times anymore.
jb3689
2 hours ago
“Don’t believe everything you read on the internet” seems like the golden rule we’ve all forgotten
mitxela
2 hours ago
Yet here we are, believing that the Houthis used fake AI voice to achieve a battlefield victory.
nonsensical_
2 hours ago
Where men are men and 14-year old girls are FBI agents.
throwaway85825
11 minutes ago
Where men are men, women are also men, and 14 year old girls are FBI agents.
electrondood
3 hours ago
They also used Claude in a fairly sophisticated way to design their missile guidance system (PDF, search for GTG-87001).
https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/e50be2e51e7695dc4b1366a37a245a...
jollyllama
2 hours ago
"AI is critical for National Defense."
"But I don't see it helping us, it's just helping our enemies get closer to parity ."
"Precisely. How else are we going to justify the budget?"
tencentshill
2 hours ago
Where did Anthropic get that information to train their model on is a good question to ask as well.
wbl
2 hours ago
The engineering library of your local college has all the information needed for ballistic guidance systems.
chasd00
39 minutes ago
yeah and so does the ardupilot documentation including examples. A basic guidance system, which is like single waypoint navigation, is a solved problem. It's in basically every prosumer drone too.
tencentshill
43 minutes ago
Or they don't have that information in the training data and it wasn't actually nearly as helpful for developing a missile as they claim.
consumer451
3 hours ago
Yeah, I saw that. I wonder if there are any other AI labs that are naive (good?) enough to admit this type of thing.
Obviously, it's happening with all decent models.
ericd
2 hours ago
It's not naivete/goodness, this is totally aligned with their playbook of trying to get AI to be heavily regulated.
consumer451
2 hours ago
OK, that is a plausible argument given Dario's public positions. I have to admit that I keep cutting them some slack for standing up against automated kill chains, and domestic surveillance.
15155
2 hours ago
Automated kill chains and domestic surveillance are happening regardless of what one corporation wants. These technologies will never be inaccessible to the government or government contractors who already have zero issues navigating red tape.
The point of regulation is to kill competitors and prevent private individuals from having unfettered access.
ericd
2 hours ago
To be clear, I don't think they're doing it because they want all the money, I think they truly believe that this is existentially threatening, and are trying to regulate their open source competition away because they think that's the way to be safe. That they can be trusted with the power, but if it's out and about, that's unsafe - they like to compare it to nukes, and they want nuclear non-proliferation.
consumer451
an hour ago
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
This is the most "I get both sides" issue in my mind these days. I am still not sure where I fall, or if there is even a correct position with which to agree. It really seems like there are no good options.
On the one hand, if all knowledge work ended up in two dude's hands, that is really bad. On the other hand, if every surviving child victim of war (US, RU, IL, CN, whatever) has access to the knowledge to make custom viruses for a few grand, that is also really bad.
9cb14c1ec0
2 hours ago
Makes me want to be a frontier model provider just to get the ring-side seat on what every bad actor in the world is doing.
addandsubtract
18 minutes ago
Elon is tapping the empty seat next to him.
moralestapia
3 hours ago
Oh wow! Dario and Scam were right!
We should stop everybody else from developing AI, except for both of them which are the most appropriate stewards for this technology.
2OEH8eoCRo0
3 hours ago
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sejje
2 hours ago
Liable for Yemeni troops taking orders from social media?
Do they have a chain of command? Are people in charge?
accountrequired
2 hours ago
... even though they aren't?
MSFT_Edging
3 hours ago
This is the chaos that silicon valley and the current US government has fully gotten behind.