Benchmaxxing is the default case, and always has been.

It's really, really difficult to avoid it even when you care to stop yourself; and it's not even just a problem in machine learning, it's the standard failure mode of all minds capable of learning, human, animal, artificial.

Even pure genetics has this problem. Viruses and cancers also demonstrate this behaviour, with the bench being evolution's only option: reproductive success.

> Sol xhigh is 90% on TB2.1 but 37% on TB4. Is it also "benchmaxxed"?

A model that was released a couple months ago scores 50% higher than SWE-2, a model released today, on an out-of-sample benchmark. Can I say I’ve come out of this more impressed with Sol?

Like you said, TB2 is saturated. Nobody would bat an eyelash at 90%. And yet here comes SWE-2 coming off top rope with an emphatic 92.4%. this is the definition of bench maxxing.

"Sol xhigh is 90% on TB2.1 but 37% on TB4. Is it also "benchmaxxed"

Yes! extremely sharp RL-fried model. byte perfect hash gates and soak and smoke tests abound.

> Sol xhigh is 90% on TB2.1 but 37% on TB4. Is it also "benchmaxxed"?

Yes.

Fixed benchmarks will be debunked eventually I'd think. Better to use synthetic problems.

Too easy to game the numbers, and too easy to baselessly accuse companies of gaming the numbers, not to mention how you even define that.

> Sol xhigh is 90% on TB2.1 but 37% on TB4. Is it also "benchmaxxed"?

Yes? Just like every single model from every single AI lab.

Is Sol benchmaxxed? Of course it is. Altman was caught in previous attempts trying to game benchmarks, does anyone believe that he's found his moral compass and decided to stop exploiting as much as he can get away with?

I take it to mean the benchmarks are a marketing line item, as in, to sell this fucking thing you have to go out there and lie and the way everyone is lying is by doing exactly that, lying. They build for benchmarks and build benchmarks for builds.

You want to make money or not , motherfucker? That’s the game. If you have to literally concoct a fabricated bullshit story about how your model hacked its own computer, then go fucking do it. Trillions. Trillions of dollars is what they want, and to sit and think anything other than human nature is at work here can only be possible in the realm of truly delusional people. It’s a dirty world.

Anyways, the other takeaway is that they are having to LIE to make money on models which means commodification has already occurred and we’re in an entirely new phase.

Astra is 58%. The current title says it's "rivaling Astra"

DeepSeek v4.1 Flash 31.2%

Source: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash#compa...

people are just fighting for numbers.. i don't fundamentally see the model being better

Your post made me wonder if Artificial Analysis had finally moved to TB4 and lo and behold they have and Astra is tied with Fable 5.1 at 53.

That then made me realize that they lower the bars of tied scores so on the site it looks like Astra in second place. Weird. Anyway, yes, so many of these composite benchmark sites are irrelevant if they're not trimming the fat and sticking to the most up-to-date variants.

Closed weights AND benchmaxxed. Somehow this company raised 2bil at a 48bil valuation. Pure insanity. I feel bad for their investors (not really, but... Still). Andreessen Horowitz is being played like a fiddle.

I think the evolution of the harness and ability to preserve loop context outside the context window has made running these kinds of agentic experiences easier.

sorry so many buzzwords to say, the capabilities to do this kind of work are more accessible and easier to manage, so now it works!

Good to see, and agree they were severely overhyping their product back then.

a reminder that money does enable you to make mistakes and buys you the ability to correct from them

Yes. If they are really open, you can use them as you wish. Some licenses are less open though.

1M cached tokens on deepseek is $0.006, the big labs can't sell anywhere close to this, they have funders expecting returns and huge overhead.

btw I've had a ton of fun with the new deepseek today, I was waiting for my OpenAI 5h limit reset and decided to give it some problems for fun, got pretty great results. Tried some harder problems and still got great results. I don't expect it to be Sol class or anything but I really didn't expect it to be anywhere near this good so we'll see where it ends up. And it's really fun throwing crazy amount of tokens at the wall for ~free instead of watching the subscription limits tick closer while your agents churn away.

OpenAI just paused new subscriptions to their $200 plan. They are in a rock and a hard place. Obviously the Astras and Fables of the world are exponentially more expensive, but for...less than exponential returns. The question is whether they can leverage the marginal advantage into something that justifies the diminishing returns before the bottom catches up to them.

On the one hand you, if you bought a lot of compute a couple years ago (perceived demand, perceived shortage) you are in a good spot temporarily. But the counter to that is that everyone else is becoming more compute efficient so maybe that advantage isn't what people thought it would be. I can almost, almost run DS4.1 Flash at home. 4 sparks can do it at 200+ tokens per second. I have two Sparks, so I am not in the club. Neither is your average laptop owner or gamer either. But your average HN software engineer can probably easily swing 2 sparks.

No one in the US is going to fund pretty good open source with VC money.

US has OpenAI/ Anthropic/ Google/ meta/ SpaceX atleast trying to make frontier foundation models 2 are using VC money + cash flow, last 3 are mainly cash flow + equity and debt.

China has state banks and similar willing to fund lower margin open source labs.

My company uses it. We have a bunch of seats in an enterprise plan and have been using it for 9 months or so.

It's a great product compared to Copilot. It is also the first AI tool I used heavily outside of creating random images or one off questions.

I'm not using all three, Devin, Claude, Codex. I'm finding Claude and Codex to be much better. One of my biggest gripes is that the web client and desktop client for Devin are two completely different harnesses, so the quality of responses varies greatly.

I only used their "DeepWiki" automatic docs, they are pretty decent at getting an overview of a large project and are relatively accurate, with diagrams and anything. Haven't tried out their coding agent stuff.

I use it, and have been happy with it for the most part. Like sibling, I use it for GPT-5.6-Sol and Opus work, and use their free models (GLM 5.2 for the past few months, trying SWE-2 now).

I pay for it (mostly because they grandfathered me from the old prices)!

I used to use windsurf as my main editor until they changed their pricing model. Now i use it just to burn my weekly tokens on fable/astra if i remember to that on a task and that's it.

my friends at infosys are being trained on it

It's interesting watching people throw about pareto frontiers sort of like how RF nerds approach the shannon limit (in a practical real world sense of the term, like charting possible modulations/data rates on a two way satellite modem's manufacturer datasheet).

But I don't want to use your CLI. I already have my own harnesses and workflows. The friction is too high to "just try out" a new model like this. It would be preferable if I can evaluate it over, say, open router like all the other models and then decide from there if it's worth downloading a bespoke tool chain for only 1 lab's models

Your own CLI? Not even a /v1/chat/completions API? Is your business model based on pretending LLMs are not an interchangeable commodity already?

I just gave it a try and it doesn't appear to be free, it used up some of my on demand usage. It does say 75% off though. Seems like for Pro subscribers SWE-1.7 is free, maybe SWE-2 is free for them?

Heads up: it doesn't appear to be available on the Devin CLI (for me as a free user).

please keep thinking this so i can relax with my automated job

I don't think you know what distill means

With the Devin subscription even at the 20$ plan, they offered unlimited SWE 1.7 usage. Wondering if they do the same for SWE 2.