Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

398 pointsposted 6 hours ago
by mgh2

76 Comments

milanito1985

3 hours ago

Spain is really going in the right direction, I wonder why no one countries inspire from what they are doing

fodmap

2 hours ago

I do agree blocking Palantir is a good move but the Spanish government is doing it for the wrong reason. Spain is storing all sort of data on Chinese servers, including their Intelligence, and Judicial wiretaps.

https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-huawei-contract-judici...

athrowaway3z

2 hours ago

That is rather disturbing but this had me lol:

> Spain is “making a big mistake,” said Bart Groothuis [...] “Spain is now dependent on the country with the largest and most sophisticated offensive espionage program directed against us.”

I highly doubt he's naive enough to believe the "against us" qualifier exempts the operator of the largest and most sophisticated offensive espionage program ever.

sequoia

an hour ago

> I do agree blocking Palantir is a good move

Why? I'm not an expert and have only googled a bit, but I can't figure out what the specific objection to Palantir is.

dgellow

39 minutes ago

> I can't figure out what the specific objection to Palantir is.

You have to be trolling, a single online search tells you how the company CEO is the textbook definition of technofascism. Take a look at his manifesto if you don’t know

pbreit

4 minutes ago

That's ridiculous. All he espouses is that all of this stuff is going to happen and so you might was well do it right (with Palantir).

sequoia

20 minutes ago

So the objections to Palantir are political? I know nothing about Spanish politics so I assume that makes sense in the Spanish political context. This helps explain why I can't find a specific concrete concern, it sounds more vibes-based. Thank you!

Manuel_D

6 minutes ago

Generally this is correct. Some key investors and executives in Palantir are Republicans. That's the core problem, allegations like "technofascism" are ultimately just partisan politics when you get to the root of it.

Manuel_D

15 minutes ago

What is this in reference to? Karp has said that US tech companies should be more willing to work with military and intelligence agencies. By that standard, though, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Booz Allen Hamilton, heck even Microsoft are all supporters of "technofascism".

GuinansEyebrows

6 minutes ago

> By that standard, though, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Booz Allen Hamilton, heck even Microsoft are all supporters of "technofascism".

certainly! fascism requires industry that cooperates with the state to produce the means of control; these are all companies that do exactly that!

Manuel_D

5 minutes ago

By this logic, Ford and Boeing were contributing to technofascism when they were building tanks and planes for the Allies in WWII.

I don't think that most would agree with your understanding of technofascism.

gazebo2

an hour ago

I think in general people are a bit distrusting of a tech firm headed by billionaires with deep political ties that sells AI driven surveillance state technology to governments

cmxch

38 minutes ago

Can’t form a COMINTERN if the US is watching.

croes

2 hours ago

If the data is encrypted before the upload I see no problem

petcat

2 hours ago

Huawei is the complete data custodian. They are the ones doing the encrypting.

mdni007

2 hours ago

As opposed to what? American servers with Isreali backdoors?

petcat

2 hours ago

How about Spanish servers?

I will never understand this helplessness that comes from these European countries. They are choosing to be dependent on foreign powers.

munk-a

an hour ago

It's expensive to home-grow your own solutions and if you try transitioning too many services at once the cost will be outrageous and you'll probably open other security holes. I am glad Spain is taking this step and I hope they continue this trend - but outright refusing to use any software built abroad requires a massive investment in domestic tech. That investment would likely pay economic dividends but it is a cost that needs to be measured against other investments Spain needs to make and in Spain's case resilience against global warming is especially important.

pbreit

7 minutes ago

This seems ridiculously short-sighted and backwards.

qpricjalcbeu

2 hours ago

gonzalohm

an hour ago

At this point, can you tell me one non corrupt government?

At least they are doing stuff for the people

bsjaux628

31 minutes ago

Define doing. The government is completely block from legislating since the coalition parties will not approve any law, only those that can help their separatist movements. The national budget hasn't been renewed since 2023, affecting new projects.

What we have is a corrupt president and party he'll bent on remaining as long as possible to not face the polls

gonzalohm

11 minutes ago

There are two takes here (and I'm impartial because I no longer live in Spain):

- The government lost their trust and should resign. - The coalition parties are sabotaging the government even when none had the majority (even if together they do).

Either way, fuck Palantir

serial_dev

an hour ago

I know I’m a conspiracy theorist but I’m looking out for random scandals, random high profile deaths, random infrastructure issues and random large scale accidents.

cryo32

3 hours ago

Looks like we’re doing this in the UK soon too.

Edit: not sure what the downvotes are. Burnham literally said he’ll do it today.

john_strinlai

2 hours ago

indeed, and he has apparently already been walking the walk

>"Burnham did not grant the US tech company any contracts during his nine years as Greater Manchester mayor, and is minded to take the same approach in Downing Street."

NopIdoN

an hour ago

But how many did he deny?

kazinator

2 hours ago

Politicians and governments like to introduce crap like blacklisting when they have a good excuse to (a target the public agrees with) so that later it's easier for them to use against arbitrary targets.

Dibby053

an hour ago

They seem to have been granting contracts to manage all kinds of critical data to Huawei's Palantir equivalent lately, so it's probably less about security risks and more about the current source of the bribe money.

If they cared about security they would not outsource this kind of stuff to foreign companies. Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it?

josu

35 minutes ago

>Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it?

The data may be safer with the CCP, at least they won't lose it.

broken-kebab

24 minutes ago

Dunno, losing it maybe safer from a citizen's POV.

_ink_

4 hours ago

I really like what Spain is doing recently. If it weren't for climate change, I'd consider moving there.

Al-Khwarizmi

3 hours ago

Much of Spain is indeed getting very unpleasant in the summer with climate change, but in the north there are still regions that are quite fine at the moment. Where I am, we recently beat the all time temperature record with 35 degrees, but that was a single day. Most days these weeks it isn't going over 25, and I don't think we hit 30 in June except for that single day and maybe one other day.

The problem is that the right is poised to win the next election and will probably undo all the policies you like. They're pretty much against everything that has been done in the last 7 years. I still have some hopes that Sanchez might clinch another term because he's a political survivor, but prospects are not great.

broken-kebab

18 minutes ago

And then you'll have to choose another country after the next elections. Or even before, cause liking politicians from afar somehow much easier than when living in the same country.

Xenoamorphous

3 hours ago

The current government has little chance to get re-elected, and the next one will revert most of these decisions.

ncruces

3 hours ago

It could be worse can only take a government so far. Eventually, just preaching to the choir catches up with you.

littlecranky67

3 hours ago

Canary Islands are part of Spain and probably unaffected from climate change - we have 19-22°C all year round. If it raises to 25° still pretty livable.

b40d-48b2-979e

3 hours ago

    and probably unaffected from climate change
No place is unaffected.

stronglikedan

24 minutes ago

Most places will be unaffected. It'll only affect places where humans are, and we're not even close to filling up the planet

pedrogpimenta

25 minutes ago

No, but the island's climate will still be chill.

Stevvo

an hour ago

Ok but most of the populated areas of the Canary Islands are a tourist shithole, not somewhere you would want to live.

hecrogon

3 hours ago

It isn't that simple, Canary Islands already counts with 2.2 million + tourists people and the fresh water is a highly risk resource even when desalinization plants are widespread, the groundwater aquifers are severely compromised. The mild weather heavily depends on the trade winds. But models predict that due to fact of being so close to Africa heat waves are prone to be more and more frequent compromising the water resources.

Daishiman

3 hours ago

Islands are extremely vulnerable to climate change all over, as they are completely dependent in near-term precipitation for all their water (no rivers, no aquifers).

littlecranky67

3 hours ago

No rivers and no water is reality here for quite a while already. The islands rely a lot on desalination, and there is a big EU-funded project going on to create a desalination plant that not only is used to supply tap water, but the water basin of a new hydroelectric plant [0]. Desalination pretty much solves water issues, IF you have the energy (ideally renewable).

[0]: https://renewablesnow.com/news/construction-starts-on-200-mw...

Daishiman

2 hours ago

Desalination solves water issues for tap water. Islands may be short on surface area.

I would also never use the word "solve", as this is just for human usage. The ecosystems themselves are irreversibly destroyed.

stronglikedan

23 minutes ago

I imagine there will be a lot of AC retrofitting across Europe in the coming years. Investment opportunity?

CalRobert

3 hours ago

Galicia is supposed to be nice

sequoia

2 hours ago

"The decision stems directly from growing official concern over the potential misuse of classified information linked to national security."

What are the specific concerns?

TiredOfLife

7 minutes ago

As the contracts are going to a chinese company. The officials making the decisions likely like their bribes wery much.

badgersnake

2 hours ago

I imagine that’s classified.

sequoia

an hour ago

People in the comments here are praising the move, so presumably something is public. I've googled but I can't see some specific breach or documented misuse. Is the objection to Palantir strictly political?

tough

39 minutes ago

There's been a lot of recent scandals going public against the social democratic party ruling on spain now (PSOE) and its previous dirigents. See Zapatero case. leaked by US agencies recently once Spain put some kind of friction to the Rota south spain bases getting involved on anything vs Iran.

The president P. Sanchez, has been clearly antagonizing Trump in these and other intl issues (even if only visible in spain, as he is not that relevant internationally, etc)

But anyways, this seems like deepstate fighting vs current US admin and current Spain admin, one can infer "Palantir" is basically a gag order away from giving the US govt anything it wants, so as an antagonist. to its current admin, it seems smart to avoid having them as critical providers.

why choose china? Makes no sense, but probably the only other big bro Spain can rely on if the US isn't it anymore

sequoia

23 minutes ago

OK so this is not specific to Palantir, but about entrusting sensitive Spanish data to any US based company. If so, that makes sense.

gus_

2 hours ago

Unfortunately this order will probably be revoked in 2027/2028, we'll see.

munk-a

an hour ago

It is possible and this in particular is a decision that I'm sure the US will pressure the government to reverse. However, it's misguided to see the entire world through the US political lens where reversing policy decisions is seen as a free win by the voting base. Spain's current democracy is only about fifty years old and extremism is viewed very negatively so outright undoing is generally less common then gradual undermining.

NooneAtAll3

2 hours ago

why not simply make it illegal? why make it a ban specific to one company, are they trying to make their own copy?

dofm

2 hours ago

Palantir is profoundly untrusted in Europe in part because of Alex Karp. He is viewed as a dangerous neo-nationalist (not incorrectly).

Never really sure why Anduril doesn't catch the same grief; they are maybe even creepier. Perhaps Palmer Luckey is just a less visible obvious Bond villain crackpot.

RobertoG

2 hours ago

They didn't ban any company, they just ordered public services and public companies not to use what has been classified as a security risk.

Anybody here think that Palantir is not a security risk for Spain?

FridgeSeal

an hour ago

> Anybody here think that Palantir is not a security risk for Spain?

It boggles the mind a bit, but I’ve seen a few comments on here with people defending them to the tune of “what’s the big deal, they just help governments with their data! They're innocent” which is uh, either aggressively naive, or just paid PR behaviour.

sjsdaiuasgdia

21 minutes ago

Alex Karp is clearly off his rocker. This is a good move.

bpodgursky

an hour ago

> The firm holds a €16.5 million contract signed in 2023 with the Armed Forces Intelligence Center (CIFAS), which is scheduled to expire this upcoming November.

> Military leadership, including the Chiefs of Staff of the Army and Navy, has lobbied Defense Minister Margarita Robles to renew the contract, citing the platform's operational superiority.

Palantir wins contracts because they are better at what they do. If Europe wants to maintain digital sovereignty while not being left behind they need to have a heart-to-heart conversation about how to fix that.

psoebasura

an hour ago

they have a great IT company in Spain, it's been winning a lot of contracts recently, that of the software genius Begoña Gomez (despite having no studies, just happens to be the wife of the mafia Capo Pedro Sanchez, but I am sure it's just a coincidence)

bpodgursky

an hour ago

Your argument is that the Spanish military is run by the mafia?

trosdesoca

an hour ago

Well not hard to see. PSOE is a criminal organization and they happen to lead the government and as a consequence the military.

bpodgursky

43 minutes ago

You have this backwards then, the chiefs of staff of the military are career roles, they are petitioning the minister of defense, which is a political position (PSOE), to keep Palantir.

Devasta

2 hours ago

Anything short of declaring them a proscribed organization is insufficient.

emsign

3 hours ago

Great news for Spain. I hope more European countries wake up to what's going on.

holoduke

2 hours ago

I find it unbelievable that the current chief of Nato (Rutte) is basically an extension of Palantir. He is making sure countries are signing contracts with this extreme company that on pair with the Nazi ideology. They would support mass extermination camps. You probably think this is over exaggerated. But no its not. This company is evil.

CrzyLngPwd

2 hours ago

Pretty sure he would do unspeakable things if it meant getting a pat on the head, and a Good Boy, from the real head of nato.

Fairburn

an hour ago

Someday, the US will be just a bubble where no other country gives their data to. We continue this decent into fascism to the point that nobody likes us.. or values us. Is this their idea of Utopia?

RIMR

an hour ago

Unfortunately, yes. The American right has looked at Russia as a model for what they want America to be for some time.

chinathrow

2 hours ago

Look, this is not a bad thing per se, but the US reaction will tell you everything you need to know.