milanito1985
3 hours ago
Spain is really going in the right direction, I wonder why no one countries inspire from what they are doing
fodmap
2 hours ago
I do agree blocking Palantir is a good move but the Spanish government is doing it for the wrong reason. Spain is storing all sort of data on Chinese servers, including their Intelligence, and Judicial wiretaps.
https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-huawei-contract-judici...
athrowaway3z
2 hours ago
That is rather disturbing but this had me lol:
> Spain is “making a big mistake,” said Bart Groothuis [...] “Spain is now dependent on the country with the largest and most sophisticated offensive espionage program directed against us.”
I highly doubt he's naive enough to believe the "against us" qualifier exempts the operator of the largest and most sophisticated offensive espionage program ever.
sequoia
an hour ago
> I do agree blocking Palantir is a good move
Why? I'm not an expert and have only googled a bit, but I can't figure out what the specific objection to Palantir is.
dgellow
39 minutes ago
> I can't figure out what the specific objection to Palantir is.
You have to be trolling, a single online search tells you how the company CEO is the textbook definition of technofascism. Take a look at his manifesto if you don’t know
pbreit
4 minutes ago
That's ridiculous. All he espouses is that all of this stuff is going to happen and so you might was well do it right (with Palantir).
sequoia
20 minutes ago
So the objections to Palantir are political? I know nothing about Spanish politics so I assume that makes sense in the Spanish political context. This helps explain why I can't find a specific concrete concern, it sounds more vibes-based. Thank you!
Manuel_D
6 minutes ago
Generally this is correct. Some key investors and executives in Palantir are Republicans. That's the core problem, allegations like "technofascism" are ultimately just partisan politics when you get to the root of it.
Manuel_D
15 minutes ago
What is this in reference to? Karp has said that US tech companies should be more willing to work with military and intelligence agencies. By that standard, though, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Booz Allen Hamilton, heck even Microsoft are all supporters of "technofascism".
tsukurimashou
5 minutes ago
> heck even Microsoft are all supporters of "technofascism"
no one in their right mind is going to argue with that, not sure what your point is
Manuel_D
3 minutes ago
Microsoft, a company mostly centered in the Pacific Northwest, is not exactly full of right wingers: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/microsoft-corp/summary?id=d...
GuinansEyebrows
6 minutes ago
> By that standard, though, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Booz Allen Hamilton, heck even Microsoft are all supporters of "technofascism".
certainly! fascism requires industry that cooperates with the state to produce the means of control; these are all companies that do exactly that!
Manuel_D
5 minutes ago
By this logic, Ford and Boeing were contributing to technofascism when they were building tanks and planes for the Allies in WWII.
I don't think that most would agree with your understanding of technofascism.
gazebo2
an hour ago
I think in general people are a bit distrusting of a tech firm headed by billionaires with deep political ties that sells AI driven surveillance state technology to governments
cmxch
38 minutes ago
Can’t form a COMINTERN if the US is watching.
croes
2 hours ago
If the data is encrypted before the upload I see no problem
petcat
2 hours ago
Huawei is the complete data custodian. They are the ones doing the encrypting.
mdni007
2 hours ago
As opposed to what? American servers with Isreali backdoors?
petcat
2 hours ago
How about Spanish servers?
I will never understand this helplessness that comes from these European countries. They are choosing to be dependent on foreign powers.
munk-a
an hour ago
It's expensive to home-grow your own solutions and if you try transitioning too many services at once the cost will be outrageous and you'll probably open other security holes. I am glad Spain is taking this step and I hope they continue this trend - but outright refusing to use any software built abroad requires a massive investment in domestic tech. That investment would likely pay economic dividends but it is a cost that needs to be measured against other investments Spain needs to make and in Spain's case resilience against global warming is especially important.
pbreit
7 minutes ago
This seems ridiculously short-sighted and backwards.
qpricjalcbeu
2 hours ago
gonzalohm
an hour ago
At this point, can you tell me one non corrupt government?
At least they are doing stuff for the people
bsjaux628
31 minutes ago
Define doing. The government is completely block from legislating since the coalition parties will not approve any law, only those that can help their separatist movements. The national budget hasn't been renewed since 2023, affecting new projects.
What we have is a corrupt president and party he'll bent on remaining as long as possible to not face the polls
gonzalohm
11 minutes ago
There are two takes here (and I'm impartial because I no longer live in Spain):
- The government lost their trust and should resign. - The coalition parties are sabotaging the government even when none had the majority (even if together they do).
Either way, fuck Palantir
serial_dev
an hour ago
I know I’m a conspiracy theorist but I’m looking out for random scandals, random high profile deaths, random infrastructure issues and random large scale accidents.
cryo32
3 hours ago
Looks like we’re doing this in the UK soon too.
Edit: not sure what the downvotes are. Burnham literally said he’ll do it today.
john_strinlai
2 hours ago
indeed, and he has apparently already been walking the walk
>"Burnham did not grant the US tech company any contracts during his nine years as Greater Manchester mayor, and is minded to take the same approach in Downing Street."
NopIdoN
an hour ago
But how many did he deny?
kazinator
2 hours ago
Politicians and governments like to introduce crap like blacklisting when they have a good excuse to (a target the public agrees with) so that later it's easier for them to use against arbitrary targets.