Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (1852)

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by lstodd

23 Comments

wduquette

2 hours ago

Excellent book. The high point for me was the enterprising fellow who set up a stall in London during the South Sea Bubble (the original bubble!), allowing people to invest in "An undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is." People lined up for a couple of days to give the fellow their money...after which the fellow disappeared, never to be seen again. No lies detected!

jgilias

10 minutes ago

Wasn’t tbe Tulip Bubble the original bubble?

Joel_Mckay

16 minutes ago

Well they did disrupt the market, albeit at the cost of looking over their shoulder for the rest of their life. lol =3

scyclow

32 minutes ago

This is a fun book, but it famously embellishes, exaggerates, and sensationalizes the tulip bubble [1]. The efficient markets people obviously don't like the story, but there doesn't seem to be much evidence that it happened on the same scale that Mackay portrays it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania#Modern_views

zeafoamrun

30 minutes ago

Yes a lot of it was based on anti tulip propaganda pamphlets that circulated at the time, and survived more because they were more interesting due to the exaggerated stories.

dpflan

an hour ago

Along similar lines, the economist John Kenneth Galbraith has a book on financial bubbles and irrational crowd mentalities in financial market over the centuries: A Short History of Financial Euphoria [1]. Short, approachable, and interesting.

[1] https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/270746.A_Short_Histor...

cs702

23 minutes ago

... and funny too. A great book!

rauljara

2 hours ago

My intro to psychology classes was one of the most valuable classes I ever took, just with the way it systematically shattered my own notion of how much I could trust my own notions of perception and thought to be a rational and accurate reflection of reality. I definitely had a notion of how irrational “people” could be before that, but of course I somehow thought I was above all that.

rawgabbit

2 hours ago

Supposedly investors are leveraging/borrowing money to buy into AI stocks right now...

smallmancontrov

2 hours ago

Oh, yeah, that's cooking lol: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BOGZ1FL663067003Q

Speaking of which, I noticed that the big market reversal during the beginning of the Iran war happened right around when ESLR requirements were due to relax. Is this a transmission mechanism for that? Did some of the big brokerages run a big promotion (0% APR on margin debt!) or something?

glitchc

25 minutes ago

$600+ billion doesn't seem like much. I was expecting more tbh.

IAmGraydon

14 minutes ago

That chart (and many from FRED) is unfortunately not useful without viewing it on a logarithmic scale. Things can look quite parabolic in a linear space, but exponential growth is quite normal in many financial contexts.

Click "edit graph" and change units to "natural log". Now look again. You'll see that the growth in margin loans is absolutely normal, and actually has only recently recovered from the dip caused by the 2008 financial crisis.

mempko

35 minutes ago

Margin debt (debt used to leverage stock buying) Is near record highs, and most of it is flowing into AI stocks ...

daveguy

2 hours ago

IshKebab

an hour ago

That's not about LLMs.

daveguy

30 minutes ago

No, but it is about the, very expected, shitshow caused by the AI hype. When companies think cramming AI in any random place is a magic bullet for replacing workers, shit breaks. Because AI is dumb af. LLMs are just the shittiest of the ways to do it.

Do you honestly think this particular "cram AI in everything" isn't related to the current AI hype? Or that AI applications and companies providing things like this won't crash right along with the general llm AI hype and leveraged investments?

user

2 hours ago

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mlhpdx

2 hours ago

People have been people since there have been people.

throwaway873527

29 minutes ago

Interestingly, Charles Mackay, the author of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, was himself one of the most ardent cheerleaders for the Railway Mania [0] "urging people to put their money into the railways and pooh-poohing those who were concerned." and "He had become famous by mocking the bubbles of the past - but had rather less to say about the far more serious bubble that he himself had helped to inflate."[1]

[0] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1927396

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51311368

user

an hour ago

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