gaze
6 hours ago
I think that's the datacenter with the gas turbine generators that operate without permits because they're "portable." Data centers have tremendous externalities but colossus is a particularly nasty offender, and not just due its size.
Edit: They did it with Colossus and now they're doing the exact same thing with Colossus2. https://www.selc.org/news/xai-built-an-illegal-power-plant-t...
robwwilliams
4 hours ago
The newer location is about 3 miles southwest of the Memphis Airport (MEM), one of the world’s largest cargo airports and the center of FedEx operations (500 take-off and landings per day most concentrated in a 6 h FedEx window with lots of engines running on ramps and that produces about 2000 tons of NOx per year).
I live about 18 miles downwind of the new Colossus sites, the airport, and lots of truck logistics sites, and a large refinery.
I definitely will be getting 2x exposure to ozone and particulates from both Colossi when they are running full bore. Plus an extra dose of ultrafine particulate with my morning fresh air.
Yes, wouldn’t it be nice to be in Nashville instead with HCA, Oracle, many insurance and financial institutions, and the joy of country music.
As an avid Opus user I am in an ethical Nimby bind. We do need almost any investments we can get in Shelby County TN. I’ll take Anthropic in preference to Grok NOx. And it will be my NOx.
bob1029
16 minutes ago
The biggest issue with the interim onsite generation is the lack of meaningful stack height on the generating units.
Airplanes by virtue of their mode of operation stay out of the unhappy regime most of the time. Also, engines at/near idle produde orders of magnitude less emissions. Those aeroderivative generators are running at full capacity 24/7.
Dumping exhaust at ground level continuously is probably much worse than the airport. Even if it's a FedEx world hub.
monster_truck
4 hours ago
Your math is way wrong. The airport is and will be far, far worse. You didn't even mention all of the lead
schmookeeg
2 hours ago
there is no lead in jet fuel.
i would expect close to no 100LL burning planes use MEM.
robwwilliams
2 hours ago
What was the specific mathematical or factual error? It is not theoretical for me.
nelox
4 hours ago
xAI’s turbines produce meaningful local/regional pollution (especially NOx in a vulnerable area) but represent a rounding error nationally and globally.
palmotea
16 minutes ago
> xAI’s turbines produce meaningful local/regional pollution (especially NOx in a vulnerable area) but represent a rounding error nationally and globally.
If you shoot someone in the face, it will produce a meaningful increase in local/regional murder, but represent a rounding error nationally and globally.
stronglikedan
5 hours ago
Seems like selc's time would be better spent trying to close the loophole that allows for unpermitted turbine generators instead of going after one company for doing what they were allowed to do when they did it.
hemul3n
5 hours ago
I dug into this topic in some detail on my blog and it's both enraging and depressing.
Torn
5 hours ago
This is a really great watch from Benn Jordan on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bP80DEAbuo
Some wild things happening with those, and infrasound. Colossus is shown 4 mins in
usef-
4 hours ago
This was debunked: https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center...
krige
an hour ago
The debunk is extremely sketchy on many points.
https://www.bearlythinking.com/p/andy-masley-doesnt-understa...
HDThoreaun
3 hours ago
I dont know, Id say the enraging thing is that the government is so incompetent and unable to expand electricity supply that datacenters are forced into using loopholes to get power the only way they can.
hvb2
an hour ago
> Id say the enraging thing is that the government is so incompetent and unable to expand electricity supply
So let's say you're a homebuilder, if I tell you I want a new home and I want to live there tomorrow, you can all of a sudden build it in a day, right?
Electricity use is skyrocketing for various reasons, these datacenters being one of them. There are a lot of countries struggling to keep up with demand. So incompetence? No, probably more like supply lagging demand.
Or ASML and Nvidia and all also are incompetent, because they didn't see demand coming....
fragmede
31 minutes ago
If only there was some sort of planning, by a central authority!
georgemcbay
6 hours ago
Yup, and now Anthropic is complicit in the environmental damage and health problems for local residents that these data centers are causing.
But hey, number must go up, right?
idle_zealot
6 hours ago
Have you considered that the march of progress requires human blood to grease the gears and mulched skulls to pave the (highly efficient) road? Really, when you take into account all of the future lives this will improve and save it's difficult to claim any cost now is too high. Would you stand in their way and delay the day that Mythos cures cancer?
This is a joke. Read it in a mocking tone.
projektfu
6 hours ago
BobbyTables2
4 hours ago
I wonder what percentage of GDP expenditure will give us SkyNet.
Undoubtedly, it will find cures to all cancers… The ARR and stock appreciation will be amazing. Except the cures will be found long after it has wiped out all humans.
tadfisher
an hour ago
Wiping out all humans _is_ the cure.
thelastgallon
5 hours ago
Not Anthropic, but Sam Altman - AI will solve climate change and cure all diseases.
coliveira
2 hours ago
AI is the new religion, and one needs to be stupid to believe it.
ChicknNuggt
29 minutes ago
Already so many people are treating it as a higher being, believing whatever that comes out of it
fragmede
29 minutes ago
That implies you don't need to be stupid to believe the other ones.
LogicFailsMe
6 hours ago
I'm not saying human blood and mulched skulls are a renewable source of power, I'm just saying. Or maybe they can partner with SoulCycle to power computation with 24/7 spin classes?
kennywinker
5 hours ago
And people called the matrix’s human batteries far-fetched.
ericd
5 hours ago
Always felt like it would've made more sense if it was using part of the peoples' brains to do their computation, as super energy efficient computers.
tadfisher
an hour ago
I believe that was in the original script, and rewritten after some exec didn't understand how brains could be computers.
louiereederson
5 hours ago
Per sanguinem ad astra
Johnny_Bonk
6 hours ago
I loled
morkalork
6 hours ago
When do we start building pyramids and doing the Sardaukar blood letting ritual?
hugh-avherald
5 hours ago
When the 10-year yield hits 6%. Basic macroeconomics.
broknbottle
6 hours ago
Some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice that I am willing to make.
Nition
5 hours ago
A superintelligent AI will be safe though, because it learnt its morality from us.
ChicknNuggt
27 minutes ago
Doesnt AI learning its morality from humans makes it unsafe, I mean just look at some cases, humans dont exactly always have good morals
shimman
6 hours ago
Do you think Boris cares about people getting cancer and dying from these data centers? No, he cares about becoming rich as fuck.
coliveira
2 hours ago
This is simply called disruption. They really don't care.
jquery
5 hours ago
Given how much our EPA has been gutted by the current administration, I don’t think relief is very likely.
SilverElfin
an hour ago
So much for Dario’s ethics. He happily partners with Elon. He seems like just another power hungry monopoly seeking liar.
redox99
6 hours ago
What's the tremendous externality of gas generators? People heat their own homes with natural gas and it's no big deal. How can a datacenter that is miles away be worse than that?
coliveira
2 hours ago
How can something that is a million times bigger than your home be any different, right?
jLaForest
6 hours ago
The gas furnace in my basement don't have a massive jet turbine emiting high frequency noise
alex_duf
7 minutes ago
It's the low frequencies that's more of an issue apparently. Benn Jordan has a great series of videos about it, including one on Colossus
redox99
5 hours ago
I wouldn't call noise pollution a "tremendous externality". The gas turbines should just be placed far enough from where people live.