Yes, that it was especially rural environments and not having much options otherwise to live around while building.

Sauna that was built then wasn't just one hot room, but it also had at minimum small changing room dressing/undressing, relaxing between turns in steam room. Also if it was first building made then adding also lounge which served as living space with beds and cooking stove while building house was common. With sauna you had place to stay warm first winter, able to get warm water, wash clothes, yourselves and even a give birth old times. Building sauna first made lot of sense.

These days sauna for home builders is more about getting sauna somewhere in that floorplan where works well for the intended users of that house.

>sauna is often built first because it serves as a place to live while you're building the house

wouldn't a kitchen accomplish that goal better?

Vishnevski’s Liniment, which contains birch tar, was a common treatment for wound infections and burns in the Soviet bloc. However, this was something that individuals used because there was nothing else at hand.

Now, there are things like Fucidin, Polysporin and silver ointment for infected wounds and burns, respectively, that are safer and more effective.

Some people still swear by it, because “tradition” and probably some element of malignant patriotism too.

Tar based, (anti)Dandruff Shampoo is still a thing

I only know how it’s used for psoriasis as part of the Goeckerman method [1] but allegedly there’s some general anti-inflammatory effect.

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3735239/

Do you... eat the tar? Put it on your skin? What exactly do you do with it?

I think you can just replace it with Vaseline (Petroleum jelly) for 99% of the benefits

Pine tar is used in topical medicine for dermatology around the world I don't think it's limited to anywhere particular.

This would be same in Germany and eastern european countries too. But it really depend on humidity. High humidity saunas don't have to be hot and get tough pretty quicky. 100c dry sauna is lot more manageable than 60c humid sauna (atleast to me).

90+ sauna sounds painful. Are you actually throwing water? Because even with 80 the steam is pretty hot

What percent humidity? That is just as important as temperature for understanding how tolerable a particular sauna is.

Would those be "dry saunas" or proper ones where you're allowed to throw water on the rocks? Adding humidity ('löyly') is kinda the point, and 73°C might be just fine for a small sauna, giving you a nice punchy löyly.

I knew a guy that would bring a steak sealed in a vac seal bag to the gym and leave it in the sauna while he worked out. One hour later he was done working out and it was ready to eat too. Not sure I can actually recommend it to others but the novelty was interesting till they nearly kicked him out of the gym.

> Hammam's temperatures are around 40-50 degrees Celsius and humidity is close to 100%.

Which makes it absolutely unbearable. By the way, that combination of temperature + humidity will cause severe hyperthermia (which can be deadly) faster than people think.

There is also a World Championship with up to 130°

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Sauna_Championships

:-D

A steam sauna originating in Turkey, popular in many Arabic countries.

> and realistically more; most people don't have a sauna in their home

Most people have a sauna in their home, this is Finland.

Not having an hour of uninterrupted leisure time per day, never mind per week (most Finns don’t go to sauna every day) still sounds pretty unfathomable, except maybe in some specific circumstances like being a fresh single parent or similar. In any case, in Finland people go to sauna together with even fairly young kids (like 3+ years old), with breaks as needed of course, even most adults don’t usually spend thirty continuous minutes in a 80°C sauna.

Virtually everyone everywhere can find free 30 minutes. And turn their devices off. Those who think they cannot would do well getting to a state where they can do this, at least 6, preferably 7 days a week.

Skipping screen time between waking up and getting up will might solve this problem for a significant fraction of the first world population. My 2c.

And it is so hot that you can't use your phone full of addicting apps that ruin your sanity.

If it's winter, put the baby in the pram outside, while you do a quick sauna session?

We still managed fine. All young kids sleep quite a lot. Newborns a crapton. Older kids who don't are old enough to sauna too.

Check out the screen time log for fresh parents.

I remember the first few months being so crazy. Feedings every two hours, and each feeding took an hour.

But still time for naps, short walks, etc. part of the survival was to work in little microbreaks when the baby was sleeping.

Thanks for the warm thoughts :) (yes, I went there).

My phone charge lasts longer than 30 minutes. And it’s provably water resistant to tub depths.

I certainly don’t code in the tub. Strictly reading and discourse.

I'm curious what harm you think could come from that?

Not all saunas are the same though. Traditional hotbox-ed wood burning saunas and modern electrics are the same thing but also kinda not.

And Swedish houses, particularly detached houses built or renovated the 70s. Typically used for storing boxes.

It's funny that you make this flippant remark, while people completely seriously use as absurd reverse scenario (for some reason asking to restrict analysis just to people working 2 minimum wage jobs and exclude people that are unemployed). I already know that people do not update their beliefs even when they are shown evidence that clearly shows they are wrong, but it's frustrating to experience every time nonetheless.

Why should you exclude unemployed or underemployed? What would be the reason for that, other than to turn statistics into lies?

No, I think considering only employed people is dishonest, there’s zero reason to do so. And if graph becomes flat then obviously assumption that high income people have more time is not true

Sure - https://sticerd.lse.ac.uk/dps/case/cr/CASEreport57.pdf The difference between bottom and top decile is huge - bottom has approximately 12 hours more of free time a week! It’s consistent result that’s replicated multiple times in literature.

I’m afraid it’s you that’s disconnected from reality. I know it’s unfashionable to actually consider evidence, but please have a look at eg Time and income poverty by Tania Burchardt. Low income people have MUCH more free time.

My problem with turkish style hammam is that unless it's extremely well maintained it often smells of mold. When I went to some nice hammams in turkey, I didn't have that problem but outside of turkey, it's often unbearable.

110C is not that unusual in the Nordics (although way above average, it's for tougher sauna goers). I've been in one. Not most people's cup of tea though, the experience is comparable to the opposite of a long cold plunge.

I doubt high heart rate is a good mix for high temperature, you want them to balance out, see also homeostasis from high school biology.

I believe that heavy exercise can also increase heat shock proteins, but don't quote me. This info is all readily accessible online.

Finns go to sauna at least once every week and haven't gone extinct yet.

Cant be true:

I went to sauna 3 - 4 times a week, ex-girlfriend got pregnant 2 month after cancelling the pill (while I still went to sauna)

Then I’m gonna start doing it on my death bed!

It's all about raising your core temperature, water transfers heat to the body much more efficiently than air, so water at 104F ends up raising your body core temperature as much as a dry sauna at 170F. I did some experimentation on this, I have access to a dry sauna at my gym and I track my HR and exertion levels, I did the same with the hot tub at home making sure the water temperature doesn't go below 104F and im fully submerged to the neck, 30 mins session in both cases. The graphs look pretty much identical, same HR uptrends. So as far as cardio effects and heat shock proteins I do believe they are the same, not sure if there could be any benefit to breathing dry hot air for the lungs, but so far most benefits from sauna come from raising core temp

> How are you suffering equal heat stress from being submerged in moderately warm water

by the rules of this universe, you can't survive being submerged in 40C water for a prolonged period of time (even 37C would kill you as well), because humans produce heat and if you can't dispose of it you'll overheat and be dead soon enough

Have you tried submerging yourself in moderately hot water, I wonder? And have you spent some time pondering the difference in heat transfer between convection and conduction?