Italy Railways Sabotaged

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by vedantnair

58 Comments

david-gpu

an hour ago

Russia has been involved in covert sabotage operations in Europe for more than a decade [1][2]. You can learn more about this from investigative journalist Christo Grozev [3].

What are the chances that the high-speed rail crash that occurred in Spain a few weeks ago was also caused by them? [4]

[1] https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-shadow-war-against-wes...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRU_Unit_29155

[3] https://m.youtube.com/@thechristofiles/videos

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Adamuz_train_derailments

aucisson_masque

an hour ago

France had the same kind of sabotages during the JO. It was later confirmed to have been sponsored by Russia.

kome

17 minutes ago

what? they were local anarchist. what the hell are you saying?

unfitted2545

26 minutes ago

I was coming out of Barcelona on a train to France on the 18th, and through the window spotted a blacked-out quadcopter just hovering quite high over the tracks. No incidents happened in that area of Spain though so I'm wondering why it was there, I suppose it could be civilian or police?

Nextgrid

8 minutes ago

Anyone can fly a quadcopter though? You can buy one right now for a couple hundred bucks off Amazon (and strap explosives to it if you wanted to).

If anything, the fact we’re not seeing random drones carrying explosives and diving into groups of people on a daily basis shows the vast, vast (99.999%) of people is actually well-meaning and has no desire to kill or hurt anyone.

gman83

36 minutes ago

There was also a spree of migrants attacks in Germany, just before the election, which greatly swung public opionion to the AfD.

throw10920

an hour ago

Russia is a candidate, but it's far from the only candidate, and it's not clear how this advances their interests. Why not China, for instance? Or a random terrorist group? Speculation is fun but it's important to actually make statements grounded in reality.

colejhudson

an hour ago

No, Russia is the prime (if not only) candidate.

Why? They've been developing a system of "single-use agents" to overwhelm European governments and keep them on their back foot.

This is likely a test run.

A lovely article on this was recently published in The New Yorker that you may enjoy: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/02/09/to-build-a-fir....

sozforex

14 minutes ago

Israel is another candidate, given that Israel has beef with Spain for Spanish government not supporting/approving the genocide in Gaza.

Telemakhos

an hour ago

I'd suggest that radical left-wing elements indigenous to Italy, such as those behind the Turin protests that left 100 police officers wounded a few days ago, are a perfectly plausible candidate; not every attack comes from without. There was another protest against the Olympics in Milan itself last night by left-wing elements who believe the games are economically and socially unsustainable [0]

[0] https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/07/europe/italy-protests-rail-da...

ben_w

29 minutes ago

Unfortunately with stuff like this, nation states will use groups like that as proxies.

Lots of governments.

For example, there's some other news at the moment that the USA is financing pro-MAGA groups across Europe, which I mention more because of Jan 6 happened at all than due to any specific evidence that the US government has knowingly given state support for terrorists.

dataviz1000

42 minutes ago

After 6 weeks in Taiwan, one thing became very evident, mainland China can take the island in 3 days without firing a single shot. The only thing that can stop mainland China taking from taking Taiwan is a US president like Bill Clinton who had the courage to put two United States aircraft carrier strike forces between the mainland and the island to defend democracy which gave us TMSC. I don't see the current snowflake leadership doing that. While I was there, mainland China told the people of Taiwan to shut their mouths and nobody said a word about China after.

The reason mainland China hasn't taken Taiwan is because they don't have to.

I do not like the government of China, however, they are building infrastructure around the world especially in Africa, Asia, and South America. They are not destroying things like Russia does every single day. Their approach to diplomacy now is building.

For the same reason, China isn't commit terrorist attacks on other countries. However, Russia is committing terrorist attacks on other countries so it easy to believe that they are responsible for terrorist attacks.

rconti

29 minutes ago

To be fair to a US president who doesn't deserve any kind of fairness, the US/China dynamic 30 years ago is very different from today's dynamic -- and this has a lot more to do with China's growth than anything the US has done (or not done).

dataviz1000

7 minutes ago

The only thing that can stop China from taking Taiwan is a US president willing to put two aircraft carrier strike groups between the island the mainland. That is the same today as it was 30 years ago. However, today, unlike in the 90s the mainland can take the island in 3 days without firing a shot.

> this has a lot more to do with China's growth

That is my point. Because of China's growth they don't need to take the island by force or commit terrorist attacks against other countries especially in Europe. Today, countries like the Bahamas, Peru, Afghanistan, and Nigeria are welcoming China and their infrastructure money (not destroying infrastructure like Russia does) with open arms.

runjake

an hour ago

> Why not China, for instance?

A couple reasons:

1. China's not particularly known to conduct this sort of activity this far from their mainland.

2. What would be their motive? China is actively trying to fill that "superpower" void being left in Europe by President Trump's unpredictable behavior.

> Or a random terrorist group?

Plausible.

> Speculation is fun but it's important to actually make statements grounded in reality.

I look at it from the standpoint of motive and history. See "GRU Unit 29155"[1]. Russia has both. Russia is on the brink of war with Europe.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRU_Unit_29155#Activities

throw10920

an hour ago

Ok, this is actually substantial - much more so than GP's speculation. I think you've convinced me.

david-gpu

21 minutes ago

Perhaps reading the sources the GP provided would further cement your understanding.

runjake

25 minutes ago

Thank you, I just started as an intern in CCP counter-intel. 不要相信任何人 :-P

enterprisetalk

26 minutes ago

> Russia is on the brink of war with Europe.

EU / NATO is on the brink of making war with Russia official.

There, FTFY.

soco

22 minutes ago

As they should. Because the old politics of looking the other way had the only effect of emboldening the bullies to bully more.

alephnerd

an hour ago

> Why not China, for instance

In this specific case, becuase China has historically had significant FDI within Italy's infrastructure sector.

China has significant issues with the EU and is aligned with Russia, but it isn't in China's incentive to conduct violent actions outside of the Chinese diaspora within Europe (which is a separate sticking point).

watwut

31 minutes ago

What about USA.

AmbroseBierce

40 minutes ago

Europe should stop tolerating these sabotages and go to war with Russia and take advantage of their weakened military due to their war with Ukraine

nayroclade

16 minutes ago

NATO could certainly rollover the Russian army in a conventional war, but that was just as true before the Ukrainian war. The idea that Russia is/was a serious threat is a convenient fiction: It helps maintain Russia's image as a superpower, and it provides a justification for the existence of NATO and the associated military industrial complex that supports it.

What is true however, is that Russia does possess a huge arsenal of nuclear and other weapons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_des...

Despite Putin's posturing, Russia's never going to risk deploying them in a conflict with Ukraine. But in an actual war between NATO/Europe and Russia, with the regime facing an existential threat, then there's a very good chance they would. But even before it got to that point, the nature of the conflict itself would make nuclear escalation very likely. Both sides would be firing huge numbers of missiles, attempting to gain air superiority by wiping out the other's own missile launchers, radar bases, etc. With that many missiles flying, and stressed people and automated systems making split-second decisions, it's very likely that an error or miscalculation would result in an accidental nuclear strike, at which point it would be impossible to put the genie back in the bottle.

AmbroseBierce

11 minutes ago

This of course assumes that you are not just delaying the inevitable and giving time for Russia to recover will just make the nuclear escalation worse when it happens (not if it happens)

ddorian43

37 minutes ago

will you go to the frontline?

AmbroseBierce

31 minutes ago

You know what, yeah, I will, in exchange for EU citizenship and it must be fully financed so we have available the best weaponry money can buy (and a written contract that has a big payout for my parents if I die in combat)

haunter

an hour ago

Article about Russia on HN > green letter brand new throwaway accounts appear instantly in comments

syeare

an hour ago

At least on this Materialistic app available on F-Droid, all those comments are flagged and unable to be seen

Its absolutely senseless to take on a position on something when not knowing what's coming from both sides

I'd presume this place to be frequented by those who would also find it similarly foolhardy to be taking a stance on an issue when not all parties are privy to the same objectivity/impartiality (in terms of information and the different sides of the story)

loeg

38 minutes ago

This article doesn't mention Russia at all.

kome

15 minutes ago

article about russia???

flumpcakes

an hour ago

This fits the pattern of sabotage all across Europe. The obvious candidate is Russia who are using hybrid warfare against Europe/UK for a long time. Why does this post have so many... strange comments, mostly from new accounts? More hybrid warfare?

AJRF

an hour ago

So that is Poland, Spain, England and now Italy in the past few months?

Have I missed any - very brazen!

BadBadJellyBean

an hour ago

Probably Germany

mseepgood

an hour ago

Our railways don't need sabotage - trains fail to run anyway.

BadBadJellyBean

24 minutes ago

True but I was talking about cut glass fibers at train tracks.

tpm

an hour ago

Yeah but what about that electricity sabotage in Berlin, drones over airports etc.

SSLy

3 minutes ago

Drones also harassed Danish airports IIRC.

runjake

an hour ago

I know nothing about railways, but is there any sort of Time Domain Reflectometry (TDM) technology that railways use to detect issues with the rails?

I suppose with the distances we're talking about and the resistance of steel this isn't visible without a whole bunch of signal generators?

Edit: Be sure to read jiggawatts' reply below.

throwup238

41 minutes ago

TDM won’t work in practice for a few reasons.

The rails act like very noisy transmission lines where the return path is partly the other rail, partly ground, and it changes with ballast moisture and geometry. Every joint, weld, switch, crossing, impedance bond, and termination creates reflections. The bigger problem though is the gap often left between tracks for thermal expansion.

There are ways to lay down other signal lines along the track that can measure things but they tend to be expensive unless they use a telecom line laid along the track. There’s other techniques like differential injection rail-to-rail with careful coupling + filtering, and baseline subtraction, but I don’t know how widely deployed that is.

jiggawatts

an hour ago

They use “test” cars that have bright lights or xenon flashes pointing down. They take thousands of pictures of the track every night and store the images in a database that can match them up precisely so you can see cracks growing over time like a movie.

I also remember reading about an application of fibre optics where a long strand is placed directly under each rail. Pulses of light through the fibre are reflected at the points where axles press down on the rail and compress the fibre. Similar techniques can be used to detect accidents and (completely) broken tracks.

runjake

an hour ago

Excellent! Thank you. Both these processes make more sense than the TDR scheme I was referring to.

With the fiber scheme they are using optical TDR.

formerly_proven

38 minutes ago

You can even use fiber-optic cables running in cable throughs next to the tracks to detect and track trains: https://www.dbsystel.de/dbsystel-en/Digital-Stories-en/A-dig...

runjake

34 minutes ago

Yep. And the DOM (Digital Optical Monitoring) in consumer fiber optic modules (eg. SFPs) is sensitive to detect stuff like this!

I can tell when and where we have significant wind storms, because it oscillates the fiber lines on the poles in a particular way which in turn generates a graph with specific signal oscillations.

tehjoker

8 minutes ago

I don’t get it what’s the goal here? did anyone claim responsibility

thefounder

an hour ago

Why would someone do this?

varjag

an hour ago

If you do a somewhat bad thing with no pushback it becomes possible to do a somewhat worse thing with no pushback. Gradually you end up doing really bad things with total impunity.

Nextgrid

an hour ago

Devil’s advocate: you should still have a reason to do the bad thing in the first place. I’m not a good enough politician to understand how this benefits anyone’s interests (don’t get me wrong, I do suspect Russia to be behind this, but still don’t get the objective - but then again I don’t get the objective of their special bullshit operation either)

kubb

26 minutes ago

The reason is resentment rooted in an inferiority complex. Russia's state ideology is that they're being oppressed by "the West", and they really believe it up to the highest levels of government. They're quite convinced that hurting their "enemy" this way amounts to securing their interest, because by damaging "the West", their own relative power is elevated and that makes them a serious player on the international stage.

varjag

an hour ago

Indeed many people who subscribe to Rational Actor theory of politics are stupefied by this. However the thing about personalistic dictatorships is their foreign policy and aggression are all subject to the whims of one person, even though the media still refers to them as if they are real countries with collective decision-making. And they indeed may be acting rationally just not in the axiomatic framework any sane person would even consider.

Say some dictator lived through a trauma that he projects onto some group of people. Or that he considers himself a spiritual successor (perhaps even the reincarnation) of Ivan the Great, the Collector or Lands. Once you ease yourself into this mindset you see the logic.

toyg

an hour ago

Russia is desperate for leverage. Apart from China, they are severely isolated from rich markets. Targeted violence is an attempt at generating leverage, in the same way some racketeers would hit shops that refuse to pay "protection" money.

soco

17 minutes ago

Creating chaos in democracies is forcing the elected politicians to focus on the interior, thus leaving them less resources (or public interest) for stopping remote invasions.

polotics

an hour ago

hybrid warfare: inflict costs with deniability

kakadu

39 minutes ago

They wouldn't, it's just the West trying to set up the stage.

They need a way out over their current mess.

paganel

an hour ago

Of course they were, and of course that the Russians are to blame. Any mention of Mussolini and the fascists just yet? Seeing as we're talking about trains in Italy.

Absolute cinema.

Later edit: And something constructive, for a change, and to ignore the bs propaganda coming from the government-paid BBC ghouls, just read the comments in there, made by actual Italians, on the FB page of one of the most important newspapers in Italy. Like I said, absolute clowns, but it's pretty interesting that they're still trying to sell this bs, they must be thinking they we're still back in early 2022.

[1] https://www.facebook.com/corrieredellasera/posts/pfbid026M73...

Rodeoclash

37 minutes ago

> Of course they were, and of course that the Russians are to blame

Glad you agree!

MagicMoonlight

43 minutes ago

Russia is openly attacking Europe. This is the second time railways have been bombed right at the start of the olympics!

Fuck me, what will it take before we do something?