Day Fifteen of Iran's Nationwide Protests: Sharp Rise in Human Casualties

41 pointsposted 25 days ago
by pabs3
(en-hrana.org)

33 Comments

roenxi

25 days ago

Israel is openly committed [0] to seeing regime change in Iran; they were mowing down civilian and military leadership just last year. The US got involved. There is the history of western involvement [1] in overthrowing Iranian governments.

With that background I'm more worried about what the US's role here will be rather than what may or may not be taking place in Iran. My understanding is that the simulations around an invasion of the country were even more disastrous than the excursions in Afghanistan and Iraq and we really could use some signals of competence out of the US right now. We seem to be dangerously far into a WWI or WWII style environment internationally and we're already past the threshold of nuclear risk that sane actors would accept.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_war

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Mosaddegh_and_the_Shah's_...

flanked-evergl

25 days ago

1,000 of people are being executed in Iran. 10,000 of people are being mutilated and injured. 1,000 of executions are planned — but you are somehow worried about the US's role more than this?

Fascinating.

jalapenos

25 days ago

Nothing says legitimacy like having to shoot people en masse in the street

thomassmith65

24 days ago

  they were mowing down civilian and military leadership
Which 'civilians' were targets? Are we thinking of the employees of state television or Evin prison? It's unlikely the average Iranian shed tears over them.

For perspective, the Iranian protesters themselves have been burning down state television buildings this week, not to mention mosques, police stations, and other centers that the regime uses to control the people.

Nobody is talking seriously about sending foreign troops to rescue the protesters, but some strikes to take out regime targets would be welcome.

user

25 days ago

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inglor_cz

25 days ago

"Israel is openly committed [0] to seeing regime change in Iran; they were mowing down civilian and military leadership just last year. "

Are you surprised? The Islamic Republic has been drumming "Death to the USA, death to Israel" for almost fifty years and they invested a lot of money into both Hezbollah and their nuclear program.

They obviously cannot destroy America, but they could destroy Israel. Are you surprised that Israel wants to deny them this capability?

jalapenos

25 days ago

Ok but also the Iran government has not been particularly good right?

Like, the previous king was a clown, true, but this regime hasn't exactly been a steward of the people's happiness has it

If you picked a random baker and put him in charge he'd do a better job

inglor_cz

25 days ago

The situation with the Shah is somewhat similar to the situation around the English Civil War in the 17th century.

The King was authoritarian, but also a bohemian. The Roundheads were religious fanatics. They succeeded in overthrowing the Crown and executing the King, but they also turned out to be insufferably religious. After Cromwell died, the population re-invited the deposed monarch's son back, under some conditions. He met those conditions; his successor did not, but was promptly thrown out into exile, because he wasn't able to consolidate enough power anymore.

Unfortunately the Iranian population wasn't able to reconsider their choice after Khomeini's death (1989), because the government was much stronger and much more willing to kill. Also because of the Iraq-Iran war.

flanked-evergl

25 days ago

Did the Shah also order that virgins be raped before they are executed so they don't go to heaven, or is this equivalence entirely false?

flanked-evergl

25 days ago

Notice how hard people work to burry reports of atrocities that are committed by the Islamic Republic. Things are not what they appear.

metalman

25 days ago

nationwide protests in the US

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/protests-against-ice-plann...

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/10/us/ice-shooting-protests-...

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/11/us/ice-protests-shootings-min...

flanked-evergl

25 days ago

It's so strange. There is a real place on Earth which is much more brutal and oppressive than the wildest fantasy that Margaret Atwood could come up with. A place that rapes virgins before executing them to prevent them from entering heaven, a place that uses sexual violence and mutilation to control women, but if anyone mentions this place or the atrocities occurring there, then a certain element in the west gets incredibly upset and tries to divert attention away from it back to some US domestic local news interest stories. Almost like they are jealous or something.

Someone told me with a straight face once that we will one day come to see The Handmaid's Tale as a documentary and not just a novel. A statement that one can only make with a straight face if one is incredibly ignorant of the world.

I'm sure these US domestic pet peeves will exist even if some attention is given to the mass atrocities occurring in Iran. Not every local interest story in the US has to become international news. We really don't care.

metalman

25 days ago

then lets talk about Palestine, and the people commiting a genocide there, planning to "liberate" Iran useing the same methods

many of the people protesting the exectution of Renee Good, are carrying Palastinian, and Irainian flags, as they know the same people are behind ALL of our troubles.

spwa4

25 days ago

This is, of course, exactly what's being talked about. The Kremlin, through the KGB, and the "socialist international" brought the Iranian mullahs to power and created the Palestinian movement. Both with the same purpose.

In case people don't realize the link between the two.

Both refer to the US (and Europe for that matter) as "the big satan" (meaning more important an enemy than Israel), showcasing their primary objective is to destroy US and more generally western influence. And actions against Israel are in service of that goal. Both Palestinians and Iranians are, to put it mildly, not shy about attacking and displacing population groups, including their own, and Palestinians aren't shy about using genocide to achieve it. Both have shown this extensively. The objective of these organizations is not better lives for Palestinians, Iranians, muslims or whoever. It's to get the US out of the middle east, and ideally do to the US what the US did to Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan in WW2: starve the US of oil and with that energy.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB106419296113226300

jalapenos

25 days ago

Who's saying both aren't crap?

I reckon Netanyahu and the Ayatollah would've been good friends in another life.

spwa4

25 days ago

It baffles me every time people put this opinion forward. For me, every time I see allies of the Kremlin (ayatollahs, palestinians), and allies of the US (ie. Israel), I assume they won't get along.

Can't remember the last time that was wrong.

inglor_cz

25 days ago

One quite obvious difference between those two is that the Ayatollah seems to be fine with gunning down his own citizens.

inglor_cz

25 days ago

So your mission really seems to be to distract from the Iranian situation by hijacking the conversation to different topics immediately when it started.

flanked-evergl

25 days ago

Whatever is happening in Palestine will still keep happening even if someone once gives some attention to the atrocities in Iran. I promise you.

I also don't know who Renee Good is, and I don't care. Domestic US politics is not really my concern. 1,000 of people being executed because they don't like their theocratic overlords is actual international news.

inglor_cz

25 days ago

From what I gathered, the Palestinians support the ayatollahs because Iran is the only country/organization that still backs their militants unconditionally.

Which is also a major source of anger in Iran proper. Not because of Palestine directly, but because the economy is terrible and the regime will still invest into its geopolitical games instead of domestic prosperity.

As of today, there is simply no exchange rate for Iranian rial to euro. The currency has entered some sort of black hole.

flanked-evergl

25 days ago

I don't think most Persians support Hamas, I would be really surprised if even half of the Persians in Iran support Hamas. I would guess they just don't care about some terror proxy of the regime that is oppressing them.

But sure, Islamo-fascist regimes and Islamo-fascist terrorists are natural allies.

metalman

25 days ago

and what of the more than 1000 people killed in Iran during the last zionist/emerican bombing run? what is happening now is the work up to another bombing run, but only after they get the "news" out about what to buy, and what to short

flanked-evergl

25 days ago

The amount of whataboutism to excuse paying no attention to Iran is very telling.

Israel's 12-day war resulted in casualties in Iran, so therefore, we should all ignore Iran murdering 1,000s of their own citizens.

It really says a lot about the narratives.

logicchains

25 days ago

In both cases the protests won't achieve much because half the population supports the government, and in both cases the half that supports the government is better armed.

flanked-evergl

25 days ago

I don't think half the Iranian population support's the regime. Can you share the evidence for this claim?

jalapenos

25 days ago

Unfortunately he's probably right. It's a "better the devil you know" situation, and those institutionally and ethnically aligned with the regime fear its collapse more. From what I've read anyway.

spwa4

25 days ago

I highly doubt that in Iran half the population supports the government. If you hear Iranians it's more like 5%. Even if it's really double that, that's still only 10%.

Plus after wars the mullahs wanted that ended in total disaster and enormous numbers of casualties (given that the central promise of islam, of allah if you will, is military success), whilst the mullahs never had real support of the Iranian army, there are now reports of a lot of individual soldiers and even one or two of entire units attacking mullahs and religious schools, killing teachers and students. Oh, and after the recent "success" against Israel, the mullahs once again cut military pensions, with now reports they just stopped paying entirely. Given that it's the military doing the planes, one wonders that if the "supreme leader" runs to a plane if he'd make it on board the plane without a bullet. The government only has the basiji, the "religious army" (technically their name means mobilization of the oppressed, a reference to Marxism, and to who brought the mullahs to power. Of course in practice the basiji is anything but what their name implies, they are the oppressors).

jalapenos

25 days ago

I feel the Iran protests have been quite a bit more shooty

inglor_cz

25 days ago

Do you expect several thousand killed as well?

If not, why do you even bother to hijack the conversation?

kryptiskt

25 days ago

That's really weak what-aboutism. The part where the Iranian regime is bad isn't that there are protests in the country, It's a human right to protest. The thing that makes the Iranian regime bad is that they are killing protestors.