delichon
7 days ago
My dad was a busy construction contractor. One summer he tore himself away from work and took the family to a week long boat camp out next to a big beautiful lake. It turned out that our campsite was actually in the lake by a few inches at high water, but dad saw a way to dam it off and keep it dry, so he grabs the shovel and starts digging trenches and building walls and ordering us around.
About an hour into that, pouring sweat, he stops cold and says "what the hell am I doing?" The flooded camp was actually nice on a hot day and all we really had to do was move a couple of tents. He dropped the shovel and spent the rest of the week sunbathing, fishing, snorkeling and water skiing as God intended. He flipped a switch and went from Hyde to Jekyll on vacation. I've had to emulate that a few times.
irishcoffee
7 days ago
My spouse and I dealt with this on our honeymoon. We were both working 50-80 hour weeks for months leading up to our trip. The first day we got to this all-inclusive resort we spent the whole time trying to min/max and be as efficient and calculated as possible. It was a stressful, miserable day.
Day two we looked at each other, had an adult beverage with breakfast, and relaxed for the rest of the trip.
macNchz
7 days ago
Growing up in a quaint rural town where high-powered people from NYC liked to "get away", this is very common situation, and the inability to disconnect and adopt a slower attitude was, IMO, the primary cause of friction between the weekenders and the locals. They would physically get away from the city, but were unable to mentally release the blend of Type-A competitive neuroses that helped them get ahead in the city but just made them come off as obnoxious in this slower, quieter place.
I've found myself in this mode before, too. A couple of years ago I was preparing for weeklong wilderness backpacking trip with some friends. I'd recently quit my high-stress job to take some time off, and I had a few new pieces of gear I wanted to test before relying on them on a longer trip. When I looked at the calendar, though, every weekend before we were to leave was already spoken for.
I was worrying about it to my wife, trying to decide whether I'd just have to use the old worn out gear or risk it with the new stuff, when she stopped me: "why don't you just... go on Monday?" It took me a second to even get what she was saying—I was still so much in work-all-the-time-mode that my brain didn't even consider whatsoever the possibility that I could just... go off and go camping on a weekday. I was really baffled for a moment, and I've reflected on that a bit since, it's funny how you can be trapped in your own default operating mode and not even realize it.
travisjungroth
7 days ago
It’s like those animals that walk in little circles the size of their last pen.
throwway120385
6 days ago
Except the pen is 1/3 of our adult lives.
temp0826
6 days ago
Which 1/3 is that? It's black iron prisons all the way down
Tade0
6 days ago
I've settled in a city 60% smaller than the one I grew up in. It's still a full-blown city, but there's way fewer of those competitive types - they all moved to where I came from.
ghaff
7 days ago
I'm not really a resort person. But I do subscribe to some travel feeds mostly in the vein of maybe finding some places/attractions/restaurants/etc. that I'm not familiar with. The number of hyper-scheduled spreadsheets I see is amazing. Doesn't mean I don't often have some itinerary and even book some particular, popular attractions/venues. But the 30-minute block scheduling is something I do for work (if that).
ADDED: I'll just add that I created a loose spreadsheet for a ~week-long NYC trip with (I think) just one timed admission for a recently reopened museum and no times otherwise. I think I ended up dynamically scrawling over the printout with changes for most of the trip.
awesome_dude
7 days ago
I have an upcoming trip planned in asia - never been before.
My firm rule is - have a loose plan, aim for one activity per day, an emergency option, or two, if the weather plays up, and that's it.
It's the type of plan that has worked for every holiday that I have taken that involves a different city to the one I live in.
qmr
7 days ago
This is typically what I aim for.
One or two core activities for the day.
If it works out for more that's great but it's not expected or necessary.
I've traveled with some people who seem focused on just getting pictures in front of as many things as possible which seems a poor way to really take in a place.
criddell
7 days ago
My family went to Hawaii a couple of years ago and in the exact middle of the trip we took a day doing absolutely nothing and it was kind of great.
ghaff
6 days ago
I think that's a good plan. I do tend to book hotels, planes, and usually longer trains. But, especially for a longer city trip, I loosely map out--even if just mentally--things I want to see and do but, for example, one museum a day is mostly enough unless another convenient one is small.
helle253
6 days ago
one of the funniest things about going to NYC with a toddler was how very chill it was to go with a toddler
there are parks everywhere!
ghaff
6 days ago
There are! Central Park of course. But also pocket parks all over the place.
ergocoder
7 days ago
I was like this but maybe not as stressful as you described. Still, I wanted to do stuff and see stuff during vacation.
After having kids, my habit changed. Now we enjoy going to local parks and walking around with no goals during vacation. This wonderful attraction? Nah we don't need to see it. If we can walk there, then maybe.
throwway120385
6 days ago
When we were planning a trip to Hawaii the first thing I researched was where all the local parks with playgrounds were. That way if we were driving and my son was getting bored or we needed to stretch our legs we knew where something was. There's usually a town, village, or city park nearby no matter where I've been. Even driving to Crater Lake through rural Oregon there were some great parks in the towns we drove through. Same with the drive out to Yosemite. This was the case up until we got within an hour or two of the park itself.
Some of the most enjoyable parts of those trips were hanging out with my family in a local park.
seanmcdirmid
7 days ago
I have a hard time doing anything when in a nice resort. If it’s too nice, you just want to hangout at your pool villa all day and enjoy the view.
ghaff
6 days ago
And if you're presumably paying a premium for a nice resort, why wouldn't you spend a lot of your time taking advantage of it?
seanmcdirmid
6 days ago
Yes, if you want to get out and do things, better to go for low or mid range. You don’t want your room to feel like a huge sunk cost.
ghaff
6 days ago
I tend to default to a midrange place as I'm not much interested in spending a lot of time by the pool. And when traveling on business, if meals weren't being covered, I didn't actually much care for resorts when I felt like a bit of of a prisoner in terms of meals etc.
ErigmolCt
6 days ago
Slowing down isn't passive, it's a conscious choice
pardon_me
6 days ago
It often takes energy to relax.
AuthAuth
4 days ago
Your Dad is a beaver, he heard running water and instinctively began to build a dam.
fluoridation
7 days ago
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matsemann
7 days ago
What did you get out of this comment? What do you think a reader gets? Maybe follow the spirit of the article: slow down and pounder, be curious, maybe you would have gotten the right take away instead of being antagonizing towards someone's fond memory.
abnry
6 days ago
I think the response is a great comment. It really is insane that they felt the need to damn the flooded campsite.
The comment actually does a great job of accentuating the point of the story. Everyone offended is too caught up in their achiever mode mindset to truly appreciate the absurdity.
fluoridation
6 days ago
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jvanderbot
6 days ago
Its not a race to express the first thing that comes to mind, its a mutual discussion themed by top level comments. If you dislike the top level comments for some reason it's better to move on instead, unless some counter points enrich the discussion we're all having.
MadameMinty
6 days ago
Please move on, then.
matsemann
6 days ago
What makes HN so great is that it's curated towards curiosity. Not simple quibs. If the only value your comment has is to yourself, you could write it without pressing the submit button.
fluoridation
6 days ago
>What makes HN so great is that it's curated towards curiosity. Not simple quibs.
It wasn't just a quib. It contained some sarcasm, but it was also an honest question.
>If the only value your comment has is to yourself, you could write it without pressing the submit button.
I could also just have the thought and not write it down. Neither option would count as having expressed it. I need to have it intrude upon someone else's psyche.
lugoues
7 days ago
We can get stuck in our minds and lean too much on prior skills instead of fully assessing the problem at hand. More likely than not, given he was a contractor, building a trench and walls seemed like a simple solution to something he has probably dealt with many time and didn't think twice about it.
fluoridation
7 days ago
I just don't understand how it could occur to no one in a group of three or four people for a whole hour. Like, even if the barrier had been fully built and worked perfectly even after considering the tide, they would have been making camp on fully soaked ground. Just what everyone wants first thing in the morning: to trudge through mud.
jvanderbot
6 days ago
I think it did occur to everyone and that's part of the conclusion of the story - instead of stubbornly battling the situation we should brace it and adapt to it.
user
7 days ago
bee_rider
7 days ago
Where’d you sleep? Going wit the flow and enjoying life is admirable but that sounds like a pretty terrible camp site tbh.
delichon
7 days ago
Arizona, Lake Havasu, triple digit temperatures. We spent more time in the water than out of it. Us kids loved the flooded camp because of the tiny fish that would swim up and nibble on our toes. It tickled. The camp was boat access only, and there were a few million acres of desert wilderness higher ground to move up to. The water rose gradually and the tents never got wet.
The bigger problem with that camp was the rattlesnakes. I killed one with the shovel and felt grown up.
throwaway0665
7 days ago
They moved the tents.
Archelaos
7 days ago
Yep. Slow reading of HN comments also has its benefits.
teekert
7 days ago
I guess this person sees the same mental image as me: Tents with wet floor, moisture sucked into everything inside. A tent that’s been in a lake sounds like a throwaway to me. But maybe what you see as a tent is different from what I see.
For me the story was also a bit weird. “Just take the tents out of the water”. Ok…
jibal
7 days ago
Even if that were true (and it obviously isn't), what then would be the point of expending tremendous time and energy to "dam it off and keep it dry"?
These are alternative ways to keep the tents dry ... which entails that they were never soaked in the first place.
> A tent that’s been in a lake
The tents were never in the lake. A few inches of the campsite was in the lake at high water.
> sounds like a throwaway to me
Do you have any experience with this? I've been on trips where tents and even sleeping bags ended up in a river. They don't dissolve ...they can be dried in the sun. And a tent with a wet floor can be wiped down.
> “Just take the tents out of the water”.
Those words don't appear anywhere. Try looking at the actual words and not just your mental images.
michaelt
7 days ago
> The tents were never in the lake. A few inches of the campsite was in the lake at high water. [...] Those words don't appear anywhere. Try looking at the actual words and not just your mental images.
I think some people are interpreting “campsite” as the literal space occupied by the tent’s ground sheet while you are interpreting it as the broader area - which in an organised institutional arrangement might be called the “campground”
To use an analogy, think of being in a partly flooded parking space vs parking lot
It makes sense that someone with the former interpretation - the tent ground sheet submerged by a few inches of water - would understand that the tent got soaked.
selbyk
6 days ago
I've always understood "campground" to be a whole area open to camping with dozens or hundreds of campers. A campsite is where your group's claim is staked and the area you occupy including picnic tables, fires, etc--not just the tent.
jibal
7 days ago
I'm interpreting the word as what it means and how it is obviously being used. No one takes "campsite" to mean "the literal space occupied by the tent’s ground sheet" unless they are playing some silly sophistic game. Here is what it means (pick your own source ... they are all similar and none agrees with your definition):
"A campsite is a designated area where individuals can set up bedding, sleeping bags, or cooking equipment, such as stoves or fires. This definition encompasses any location that allows for sleeping or cooking, regardless of whether it includes a tent, lean-to, shack, or other structures."
And here's the Wikipedia description, which notes that the English "campsite" is equivalent to the American "campground", but that is broader and neither is so absurdly narrow as your words:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campsite
> would understand that the tent got soaked
I already refuted this nonsense ... there is no reason to think from the OP's description that the tent got soaked.
> To use an analogy, think of ...
I don't need any help with thinking, especially from bad analogies that are flatly contradicted by the OP's description. What's the parking lot analogy to building dams?
teekert
7 days ago
I guess the term "tent" is pretty broad, this is what I see: [0], the cotton does not take being in water very well.
But I guess a synthetic ultra light tent will do better.
I also assumed the tents were already there when he arrived (complete assumption, but the term campsite conjures up a place with tents already there), and so must be of the more heavy more stationary kind.
Anyway, the point is, I also had this question: Where do you go when you mess up your tent like that? How can a dam in a layer of water make it dry? Don't you need a dam and then pump it dry.
This is going too far, I just wanted to defend the question. Maybe it's a cultural difference.
[0] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=de+waard+tent&ia=images&iax...
systemtest
7 days ago
> Maybe it's a cultural difference.
It appears that you are confused with West European camping, which is where you drive two days to the south of France (most of which stuck in traffic), pay large amounts of money for a patch of perfectly flat grass where you are allowed to park your car and set up your tent. In a grid pattern with hundreds of other tents. Where there is a building nearby for toilets and showers. And a swimming pool plus live entertainment for the children.
OP appears to be talking about camping in nature.
nerdsniper
7 days ago
A “campsite” is a relatively flat and relatively root/stump-free patch of dirt. That’s it. Also tents are generally not made out of the canvas material you linked that yurts and teepees might be made from.
Tents are generally made of a very wuick-drying, thin synthetic.
And like the other person said, this does make it seem like you’ve potentially never been camping but i don’t want to gatekeep the definition of “camping”. My version is carrying everything I need on my back for two weeks and walking 10-15 miles each day to the next campsite (read: “patch of dirt”, preferably near fresh water). Other people “camp” in RV’s though, so.
lazyasciiart
7 days ago
Camping is just the bit about sleeping at night. I’d call your version hiking/walking/backpacking depending where I am.
jibal
7 days ago
Of course it's not.
"A campsite is a designated area where individuals can set up bedding, sleeping bags, or cooking equipment, such as stoves or fires. This definition encompasses any location that allows for sleeping or cooking, regardless of whether it includes a tent, lean-to, shack, or other structures."
I would note that camping also involves sitting in campchairs talking, reading, singing, etc.
And
> I’d call your version hiking/walking/backpacking depending where I am.
The hiking/walking/backpacking is what nerdsniper does between campsites:
> My version is carrying everything I need on my back for two weeks and walking 10-15 miles each day ==> to the next campsite <==
Despite his phrasing, he of course is not saying that hiking == camping.
lazyasciiart
3 days ago
Of course what's not what? If you're going to attempt to be a pedant, you need to also be precise.
bee_rider
6 days ago
Have you tried hammock camping? I only tried it at a campground, so, maybe there are some downsides I missed for the real backpackers. But it was pretty cool to not care about roots, the flatness of my patch of ground, or anything like that.
nerdsniper
6 days ago
I have! And i do love it. Hammocks generally benefit from very dense forest/tree cover just in case it’s raining!
stinkbeetle
7 days ago
Natural fiber canvas tents take to water about the same as your tee shirt does. Which is to say perfectly fine. Soaking them for a few days or even weeks shouldn't really bother them if the water is not warm and stagnant (like a nice clean lake). The biggest killer is storing them still wet.
DonHopkins
4 days ago
That's a dangerous conspiracy theory.
jibal
7 days ago
> the term campsite conjures up a place with tents already there
You've never been camping. Ok.
scott_w
7 days ago
I think you’re viewing this through your own cultural lens where camping can be totally solo (in the woods?)
In England, we can’t just pitch up a tent in the woods, we need to pay for a campsite where there’s other tents.
I suspect, from their description, this person is from a different country again, where camping may happen in large open steppe with lots of other yurts.
jibal
7 days ago
Nothing you wrote contradicts anything I said about camping. Someone else suggested that "campsite" just means the area covered by a tent and its groundcover, which is closer to the "mental image" of the other person who wrongly believes that tents got waterlogged, but is the arch opposite of yours. I've camped in the woods, on open steppes, and in designated camping areas in French and English towns. In each of those cases I brought my own tent, but I've also "glamped" and stayed in existing canvas-sided structures, from Yosemite to Mont St. Michel.
Also, this is about a campsite a few inches of which is in a lake, and people moving their tents. But apparently paying attention to the actual context is optional for some people.
scott_w
6 days ago
I’m not trying to dispute your version of events. I’m just offering a suggestion of what teekert had in their mind when they thought of a campsite, to better help you see where the misunderstanding comes from. Given they replied with agreement, I hope I captured it accurately.
I also feel it was unnecessary to dismiss their experience as “not camping,” just because it was different to yours. It turns a learning opportunity for us all into a needlessly toxic argument.
jibal
6 days ago
None of this is responsive to my comment that you are responding to ... I find that quite toxic. And I will note that you wrote this toxic criticism:
> I think you’re viewing this through your own cultural lens where camping can be totally solo (in the woods?)
Again, your notion of my experience of camping does not come from anything I actually wrote ... that's quite toxic.
And recognizing the mere possibility of camping solo in the woods (which has nothing to do with anything in this thread--the OP was in a group on a lakeshore) has nothing to do with a "cultural lens".
That's the last I will say about this trivial matter.
scott_w
6 days ago
> I think you’re viewing this through your own cultural lens where camping can be totally solo (in the woods?)
Allow me to correct myself: I meant to say I believed you were referring wild camping, away from a commercial site (either alone or part of a group).
> None of this is responsive to my comment that you are responding to ... I find that quite toxic.
You find it toxic that I won’t join you in an argument that only you want to have?
> Again, your notion of my experience of camping does not come from anything I actually wrote ... that's quite toxic.
I just woke up an hour ago. Did you find that toxic, too?
teekert
7 days ago
Yeah, this.
lazyasciiart
7 days ago
I’ve been camping, on trips that ranged from “park on the side of the road and set up a tent” to “hike four days carrying everything” and also “drive to campsite, walk into permanent managed tent”. Sounds like you’ve only done a more limited range of camping trips.
jibal
7 days ago
No, it doesn't sound like that at all, and you have offered no reason to think so. It's the other person who clearly has an extremely limited notion of camping: "the term campsite conjures up a place with tents already there" -- perhaps you have the two of us mixed up. And the OP said that they moved the tents, so ass-u-me ing that they were fixed structures is not rational.
lazyasciiart
3 days ago
Why would noticing that someone had "an extremely limited notion of camping" make you suggest that they had no experience at all? And if you are familiar with the form they mentioned, why would you act like you aren't?
bee_rider
7 days ago
Thanks for the attempt at a generous reading, but the truth of the matter is I just skimmed the comment and missed that bit. These things happen, no biggie.
HPsquared
7 days ago
Tents often are waterproof for the first few inches.
indrora
7 days ago
They don't teach reading comprehension like they used to.
bee_rider
7 days ago
Do’h