5800x3d / 5700x3d are MUCH MUCH MUCH faster than non-x3d in some games that are CPU bound (for some even 2x / 3x faster than non-x3d) so even with a "slower" GPU it can still be a large upgrade
when you game in 4K thats only relevant for games like factorio or city skylines.
world of warcraft has a huge speedup on x3d
in the main capital, yes. but even in raids i hit 120 fps in 4k with my 5800x.
You are simply not making any meaningful amount of heat with a 5800X3D. You're talking about a TDP of 105W and a PPT of 142W.
> 5600X is cheaper and acts less than a heater over the winter
It’s impossible to keep my 5800x below 90C under full load.
Does your motherboard have auto-oc enabled? Have you checked what voltage it's using? Have you tried setting a negative voltage offset and stability testing? Some motherboards will apply 1.3v+ when 1.2v is plenty.
The Ryzen CPUs seem to be designed to spike as high as whatever thermal limit you configure with Precision Boost Overdrive.
Then you need better cooling. The stock coolers are pretty mediocre.
Mine runs at 60C when running Prime95 at full load, i got a open bench case though.
The 7000 series is designed to hit those loads, i wonder how your 5000 series can even reach that.
This is where the 5700X shines. 8 cores, still cool.
The 5700X has the same 8 cores as a 5800X3D but with a slightly higher maximum clock speed (the X3D CPUs tend to have lower maximum voltages because the extra cache die doesn't tolerate voltages as high as the CPU cores do). The only reason the 5700X is running cooler for you is because it comes with a 65W "TDP" setting out of the box rather than the 105W "TDP" setting used by the 5800X3D. If you configure a 5800X3D to operate at the same power limit, it'll give you generally better performance than a 5700X.
In general, buying a power-limited desktop CPU has never been a good strategy to get better efficiency. You can always configure the full-power chip to only use that extra headroom for short bursts, and to throttle down to what you consider acceptable for sustained workloads.
And the 7900 ! (AM5 though)
> so what exactly is the point of 5800X3D scalping
in the past, growth in PC gaming came naturally with the growth in the adoption of computers around the world.
at saturation of "new to computers" audiences, growth in PC gaming comes from convincing the core gaming demographic, newly-turned 13 year old boys, to agitate for PCs instead of XYZ.
so a big part of it is the retail-marketing experience - the aesthetics of buying - and scalping / sense of urgency plays extremely well with the buyer who actually chooses PC over a nintendo switch, as opposed to a kid who will never make the more expensive choice ever.
this is really a story about saturation than it is about hardware or shortages for AI usage or whatever.
Pc gaming is also massively cheaper than consoles these days so the lifetime cost is lower
How?
Consoles don’t pay for online subscriptions with f2p games anymore, which is the overwhelming lions share of online play today.
Consoles also get to flip games you’re done with. I’m positive about 3 of my friends spend much less than I do on gaming these days because of all the games they buy, play once, then flip again on FB market place
And then you get to the rising entry level cost of PC gaming. If you want something better than a Steam deck you’re looking at 1K USD to start with an Intel dGPU
But I guess if you’re fine with a Steam deck it’s a bit cheaper than consoles to start
The best claim that PC gaming has today is that it has a much larger library with indies that don’t release on console
