It didn't stop people from buying the most expensive cards and CPUs when the world was ending in COVID-19 days. Average Joe doesn't know anything about CPUs. This is a gaming community that squeezes the most out of each buck. I wouldn't use CPU market for economic prediction.

> when they are very stressed

DDR5 has gone up so much it just isn't worth it. 4-5x the price. Is this just "stress"?

I have my 5800X in my AM4 motherboard from 2017. My current system as been beyond any doubts the best bang for my bucks of any computer I have built.

5900X here with mobo from 2019. Will upgrade my GPU or get a mac if I'm able to setup my wacom pen the way I want. Either way I will keep the current machine

Hell yeah, buddy.

    $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
    ...
    model name      : AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8-Core Processor

    $ free -m
    ...
                   total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
    Mem:           32006        6878        1088         363       24856       25127

3800x here, so disappointing little progress since then

> Normally an old, used CPU for a dead platform will go for a small fraction the MSRP.

True in general- used CPUs from discontinued platforms sell for a small fraction of the original MSRP.

Buuuut, the final flagship part on nearly every platform is an exception to this rule. They are generally sought after as the definitive 'End Game Upgrade' because they provide users with the simplest, most cost-effective performance boost—a single component swap—bypassing the need for a costly migration to a successor platform (which requires new RAM and a new motherboard).

It tends to happen every generation swap, 5800X3D is just the latest.

Despite it's age the 5800X3D is still one of the best CPUs you can get for gaming.

I double checked my RAM purchase from early September. $450 for 128GB of DDR5. That same RAM is now $1400.

I know it’s a bit naive to extrapolate from that, but something doesn’t smell right, the PC hardware market is clearly going through something, probably caused by the AI boom. I wonder what else is shifting that isn’t so apparent.

The gaming focused CPUs yeah. If you're on an early generation AM4 cpu (ie 2600x) then updating to a 5xxx cpu that's not gaming focused is still pretty cheap and likely worthwhile. ie 5950x

Depending upon your workload and motherboard support of course.

5800x3d / 5700x3d are MUCH MUCH MUCH faster than non-x3d in some games that are CPU bound (for some even 2x / 3x faster than non-x3d) so even with a "slower" GPU it can still be a large upgrade

> so what exactly is the point of 5800X3D scalping

in the past, growth in PC gaming came naturally with the growth in the adoption of computers around the world.

at saturation of "new to computers" audiences, growth in PC gaming comes from convincing the core gaming demographic, newly-turned 13 year old boys, to agitate for PCs instead of XYZ.

so a big part of it is the retail-marketing experience - the aesthetics of buying - and scalping / sense of urgency plays extremely well with the buyer who actually chooses PC over a nintendo switch, as opposed to a kid who will never make the more expensive choice ever.

this is really a story about saturation than it is about hardware or shortages for AI usage or whatever.

You are simply not making any meaningful amount of heat with a 5800X3D. You're talking about a TDP of 105W and a PPT of 142W.

> 5600X is cheaper and acts less than a heater over the winter

It’s impossible to keep my 5800x below 90C under full load.

PCIe 3.0 x16 is enough for up to a ~5080, you only lose single digit percent fps.

Definetly not dog slow as long as your gpu is x16.

Doesn't matter for gaming at least.

Not a problem for MWLL - it's still the Crysis engine anyway.

But seriously, claiming "dog slow" is certainly an overstatement. You lose some of the top performance, not below - and it's still ~4/16GB/s

Even like 2016 vintage boards were PCIe 4.0 so I don’t think this is a huge issue?

I think its the memory price checked and 32gb of ddr4 is a 170 eur while same size kit in ddr5 is over 400 now. If you want to build a cheap 1080p 1440p gaming desktop it all adds up.

5700X3D is a big boost in games over the 3600. I would say install it, these days you don't even have to re-install windows when changing a CPU

If you aren’t using it then sell