alsetmusic
10 hours ago
I feel extremely fortunate that I am unashamed of my sexuality, sex drive, or sexual interests. While I'd prefer that my porn history remain private, if anyone ever tried to shame me for it, I'd have no problem telling them I own my human desires.
Now, if I was a repressed person living in an area where that threatened my safety, I'd be terrified. It's a privilege that I don't have to worry about it, and that's the real problem when we get past the technical reasons why this shouldn't have happened.
mitthrowaway2
8 hours ago
I hope your employer and/or customers would share your attitude! Some people, depending on their occupation, might find their jobs at risk even with fairly "vanilla" viewing habits.
nonameiguess
2 hours ago
This is always the response to something like this but the problem is still repression. If every employee's porn viewing habits were revealed, then the employer and customers would have no choice but to still employ you and buy from you unless they want to stop doing business with all humans whatsoever, because all of them enjoy sex, even the employers and customers themselves. They don't even actually care and put on the facade because they feel social pressure themselves to pretent they don't have exactly the same urges and feelings. We can't fire the entire world.
thisislife2
an hour ago
GP has a point. Privacy rights aren't just about hiding stuffs that you may be embarrassed about. It is about safeguarding your personal identity, to protect yourself politically. Due to our tribal nature, we are always constantly judging each other whenever we form a social connection. And political exposure (from whatever source - be it our own parents, our society, our nation, the internet etc.) has created conscious / unconscious biases where some part of a person's personal identity can be a "trigger" for someone to be politically outraged, and even act on those urges. For example, some westerners get triggered when they see a burqa clad women in their streets, and some (especially in the middle-east and Asia) get triggered when they see a woman scantily clad and not "properly" attired. A muslim woman in Dubai may have no problems in wearing a burqa (or, more realistically, in covering her head as culturally required) in her office or a family function, but may like to wear a "sexier" outfits when out in pubs or discotheques. That is her multi-cultural identity and experiments in developing her own personality and identity. But if someone where to violate her privacy, by sharing a photo or video of her in a pub, expressing her sexuality through her style of dress, it could lead to an attack on her based on part of her identity. Take that at a larger scale - a lay Jew or a Muslim may prefer to appear religious amongst conservatives of his own group, even if being a Jew or a Muslim isn't a large part of their identity (i.e. they don't really define themselves through it). Or they may try to hide their religious identity amongst strangers, even they are religious - such acts may be prudent to do so, for example, in a society where antisemitism or Islamophobia is prevalent, where people do get triggered simply because you are a Jew or a Muslim.
In other words, privacy rights isn't about hiding secrets but safeguarding your own personal identity. You are of course right that if we change our own perspective about our own personal identity and behaviour, we can certainly become more comfortable with ourselves. And that can foster political changes too.
Griffinsauce
8 hours ago
This is a weird state of affairs though. This is such a thoroughly private thing, it does not impact your work (unless illegal content is involved), so why so we care?
I know it's some sort of "trustworthiness" but that is objectively complete bs.
rgmerk
6 hours ago
You might not care, but plenty of people clearly do. The current speaker of the US House of Representatives apparently cares a great deal:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/06/speaker-mike...
gessha
7 hours ago
Women have been fired for less so it really depends on your situation.
Gud
an hour ago
Perhaps your sex life is somewhat vanilla.
Imagine you are turned on by eating shit or being peed on - would you still feel so comfortable sharing g details about your sex life?
And of course, the wide spectrum in between
AlecSchueler
3 hours ago
> I feel extremely fortunate that I am unashamed of my sexuality, sex drive, or sexual interests
You're also lucky to live somewhere where you wouldn't face job loss, familial estrangement or even anything up to capital punishment for it.
qingcharles
4 hours ago
I remember the head of security for a large ISP in the mid-90s tapping the IRC PRIVMSG traffic and extorting some gay guys who weren't out.
mystraline
10 hours ago
> While I'd prefer that my porn history remain private
Thats a problem as well. Right now, you're 'safe'. But having that data available attached to you can also be dangerous to you in the future.
For example, the current wave of trans-hate can easily show you as a sympathizer. That can be criminalized quite easily, given 1/4 of the country hates trans people existing.
Being gay is right now not a crime in the USA, but it has been. And many regressive countries, predominantly Muslim, also have strong punishments for gay actions. Again, this material could easily be proof of a "deviant lifestyle" and legal punishments.
No, if I consume porn, I download from Piratebay, or hop on VPN and not login. And given I live in a state that Pornhub banned due to onerous age verification/identity tying, the whatif above could easily become true. Ive read Project2025 and saw those exact plans.
defrost
8 hours ago
> many regressive countries, predominantly Muslim, also have strong punishments for gay actions.
For accuracy it's worth stating this is only a recent occurrence.
Right now:
Nations with anti-LGBT laws: 50% Muslim, 44% Christian (2024)
Half (33) of the world’s 66 countries that have anti-LGBT laws are nations where a majority of the citizens are Muslims.
By comparison, 29 Christian-majority countries account for 44 percent of the countries that still have anti-LGBT laws on their books.
~ https://76crimes.com/2024/02/11/nations-with-anti-lgbt-laws-...However this "predominantly Muslim" twist in the numbers is recent:
In recent years, the number of Christian-majority nations with anti-homosexuality laws has shrunk, both through court rulings (Barbados, St. Kitts and Nevis and Antigua and Barbuda in 2022; Trinidad in 2018; Belize in 2016) and through legislative action (Cook Islands in 2023, Singapore in 2022, Angola and Botswana in 2019, Seychelles and Nauru in 2016, Mozambique, São Tomé and Príncipe, and Palau in 2014).
~ (quote from above source)Uganda, with an 82% Christian population is famously severe in it's punishments for gay and queer sexual activity.
With the support and funding of US conservative Christians:
US religious right at center of anti-LGBTQ+ message pushed around the world
~ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/09/us-religious-r...
pdpi
6 hours ago
> Nations with anti-LGBT laws: 50% Muslim, 44% Christian (2024)
This statistic makes the exact opposite of the point you're trying to make, though.
Going through this table[0], and provided I didn't make any dumb mistakes with my JS, there's 122 Christian majority countries, but only 54 countries are Muslim majority. So 33 out 54 Muslim majority countries have anti-gay laws, compared to only 29 out of 122 Christian majority countries with such laws. (The more interesting comparison would perhaps be counting number of people rather than countries, though, and it still says nothing of the severity of said laws).
0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions_by_country#2020_Pew_...
ethagnawl
9 hours ago
> 1/4 of the country hates trans people existing
I'll need to dig up a reference but I've seen multiple sources cite that that 1/4 watches a disproportionately high amount of trans porn. The top most commenter is spot on about how much harm our prudishness is doing to us all.
mmooss
9 hours ago
> watches a disproportionately high amount of trans porn
That doesn't mean they don't hate trans people. Most porn shows women yet it's a hotbed of misogyny.
dragonwriter
6 hours ago
Yes, bigotry against a group and sexual fetishization of the same group (and, frequently, constructing a narrative in which such fetishization is deviant but the fault of the group targeted and not the fetishizers, wuch that the fetish further justified the bigotry) frequently go together. You see this with racism of all forms, you see it with transphobia, and most commonly but perhaps least frequently commented on as a manifestation of the same effect, you see it with misogyny. And that's very much mot an exhaustive list.
WillPostForFood
10 hours ago
That can be criminalized quite easily
How exactly could trans sympathy be "criminalized"?
why-o-why
6 hours ago
Have you ever heard of the US FBI and its head, Pam Bondi? Here's how she did it:
https://www.advocate.com/politics/pam-bondi-trans-equality-b...
nkrisc
10 hours ago
Declare “trans” a terrorist organization.
dragonwriter
7 hours ago
You can't just declare an identity a terrorist organization.
I mean, that makes as much sense as declaring an idea like antifascism a terrorist organization, which is clearly impossible.
protocolture
6 hours ago
Years ago I got into/started a fight in a city.
After the fight, the brawl was blamed on the other participants, all of whom were wearing emo clothing. Black shirts, band logos, jeans.
The local police went as far as enacting a local anti gang ordnace, identified the emo wear as gang colours, and with 2 hours notice, advised that those colours were not allowed in the city for 48 hours. The security guard who helped break things up was chatting to me about it, laughing at it like it was a common consequence.
A local taxi company was cleaning up, as they accepted each emo kid, in groups of 1 - 4 and took them home to the suburbs. 20 taxis lined up, picking up kids.
Probably my first political WOW moment. I had never seen ~120 people pay for the consequences of the actions of a few.
True to their word, was 48 hours or more until I spotted them in the city again.
Governments can make any law they wish, cops tend to enforce any law they wish. Courts and appeals take time. There is nothing preventing that same city from declaring pride flags or trans icons as gang symbols.
This wasnt even in the US.
Same shit could happen anywhere, Trump could declare them terrorists identified by their symbols and tattoos, he could enforce inspections of their social media at airport checkpoints. Considering what was legal and enforced in the US in its history there's really nothing off the table going forward for persecuting anyone.
stronglikedan
9 hours ago
that's not how this works. that's not how any of this works.
rsynnott
2 hours ago
I mean, clearly it shouldn't be how it works, and is not how it works in sensible countries, but, as people have noted, it does seem to be what ol' minihands is going for in the US.
mmh0000
8 hours ago
Incorrect. That’s exactly how it works!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_transgender_peo...
https://www.them.us/story/trump-admin-fbi-trans-nihilistic-v...
mmh0000
10 hours ago
What's great about Wikipedia... There's an article for EVERYTHING!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_for_homosex...
WillPostForFood
7 hours ago
Not sure how passing a law that makes homosexuality punishable by death,
1: would be easy
2: would apply to sympathizers
3: would be possible
sapphicsnail
6 hours ago
It's been done before