I think vs spending it on defense spending which would further make us mil parity difficult.

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There exists such numbers/information circulated mainly inside Chinese (language) media/social media in form of "screenshot" but no links. Screenshot as a way of hiding source is a common format for this type of information because the links will disclose the media that spread the information. Then normal (Chinese) audience will know the credibility of the information. Give you an example, "epoch times" is a common source of such type of information. The nature of the media is well-known to Chinese audience.

The real equivalence to US defense budget in term of size is actually the infrastructure construction budget. While both budgets boost the economy , infrastructure budget improves the life of local people. Now as the most cities in coast areas run out of project to build, the over capacity cultivated in early years is poured to other directions: rural areas, undeveloped provinces, and even overseas especially Africa and Latin America. It's amazing that China changes very fast year by year as I visited some rural areas.

Ionically this behavior of infrastructure building sounds like Chinese MAGA to me: mind our own business, focus on improve ourselves instead of spread values to other countries.

R1 sometimes fails against V3 for me too, so its not a specific dig against Gemini.

In terms of code and science, Gemini is way, way too verbose in its output, and because of that it ends up getting confused by itself and hurting the quality of longer windows.

R1 does this too, but it poisons itself in the reasoning loop. You can see it during the streaming, literally criss-crossing its thoughts and thinking itself into loops before it finally arrives at an answer.

On top of that, both R1 and Gemini Pro / Flash are mediocre at anything creative. I can accept that from R1, since it's mainly meant as more of a "hard sciences" model, but Gemini is meant to be an all-purpose model.

If you pit Gemini, Deepseek R1 and Deepseek V3 against each other in a writing contest, V3 will blow both of them out of the water.

They are trained on these "benchmarks", that's why they score better.

The EU can claim whatever it wants (much like the US does at times) but in reality only those doing business within the EU markets fall under their legal jurisdiction. Which I assume is exactly why that clause is in the license - to protect the ability to do business within the EU in the future without unexpectedly suffering liability for their public AI research.

Conversely, I as an individual don't need to worry about it since I don't live there (similar stories for various other overly broad laws).

I agree with you that the usefulness of that clause is suspect given how broad the wording of that law is. How do other companies publishing open models deal with this? For example Meta.

Realistically lots of multi-national companies have an EU presence, so concerns about “violating sovereignty” are sorta moot. Huawei probably wants to do business in the EU which requires following EU law.

As an aside: in general a sovereign country can do whatever they want in their own territory, this includes the right of the country to bind itself to treaties. So in your hypothetical,

> Does your home country observe the EU’s violation of its sovereignty and throw you in a home country jail?

This doesn’t look like a violation of sovereignty to me; the non-EU has decided to enforce an EU law. Why? I don’t know, maybe it makes business easier for the multinational companies of the non-EU country.

Countries can also do things like apply secondary sanctions to an entity. So, again hypothetically, the EU doesn’t need to be able to enforce a ruling against you. They can make you toxic to anyone who wants to do business in the EU.

As always, EU and USA courts will act as if they had jurisdiction over the rest of the world and motivate bans and similar measures against other countries.

>What happens if you ignore overly broad EU regulations?

Not much

It's usually up to the the member states to implement the EU regulation.

As you can see from Hungary with Orban in recent years though the EU's response is slow and lacking.

When there is consensus things can move a lot faster though.

You could lose government contracts, get sanctioned, get banned.

Already happening to Huawei and presumably the EU market is significant to them.

Arrest of Telegram's cofounder in France is an example of EU laws and enforcement.

The EU AI Act is supposed to affect all AI "providers", which includes any "natural or legal person, public authority, agency or other body that develops an AI system or a general-purpose AI model or that has an AI system or a general-purpose AI model developed and places it on the market or puts the AI system into service under its own name or trademark, whether for payment or free of charge" [0].

This would plausibly include anyone developing an LLM, even if they aren't selling access to it or building applications based on it. There are several exemptions, and the Act obstensibly avoids creating burdens for most general-purpose LLMs, but the point is that Huawei wants to avoid any worry by not "plac[ing] it on the market" in the first place.

[0] https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/article/3/

I don’t agree. Tools like DeepL were and still are better than Google Translate long before chat bots became a thing. The French-made Mistral AI is pretty decent as well.

What specifically is it about the law slowing innovation?

Is it something these companies do that they worry violates it?

Worse, it's American!

It's probably the inverse:

they might license it to companies in the US, but don't want to have to deal with the changes and bureucracy needed to support individuals.

The statement's purpose is to say the equivalent "if you're a European and do run it, it's on you, this is not a product we release or support for the European market, don't expert support, liability, etc".

> The point is, who gives a damn about (doing an illegal thing) in reality, on their (private property where nobody is likely to see that)?

I'm not sure which part of that you find confusing. Some people will estimate benefit>risk and won't care.

See the PC Era section of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...

When CDs and DVDs were a thing people wanted, there were people selling pirated copies on every corner, so...

Most companies abide the law. So no self hosted LLM for europeans.

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To translate for those not familiar with the writings of Douglas Adams:

nord is suggesting it's possible that the physical computer running this model could be used as a "hub" for potential spyware, or be overloaded with workloads that are not related to the actual task of running the model (and instead may be some form of malware performing other computational tasks). It could potentially perform data exfiltration, or act discriminatorily based on your percieved location (such as if you're located within the EU). At worst, data loss or firmware corruption/infection may be of concern in case of license violation.

I'm not sure I would outright disagree that this as possible, but with some caveats. I would think the reason that the license stipulates that usage within the EU is forbidden due to the EU AI Act (here is a resource to read through it: https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/ai-act-explorer/).

No it's actually worse. Approximately three seconds after you install the model in offline mode on your computer, a small detector van will come and park outside your door with an antenna on the roof, and relay your position to a Chinese ICBM for immediate targeting.

>If they spot your EU coordinates how.

can anyone give a technical answer how will weights get to know this fact?

Sorry, sounds like total bullshit. The weights aren't going to do anything. And if you are worried about the code, with current deployment practices of curl | sudo bash there are much more low-hanging fruits out there. That's not even mentioning the possibility of running the model on a PC without internet access (no matter how good the new Chinese AI is, it's still not good enough yet to convince you to let it out of the box).

>could have consequences if it’s a work computer.

consequences for employer who "might" get a license audit done on their machines.

does it really happen so often that a random employer in the eu would have to be concerned?

so what. will they send cops after you.

breaking license will do what? whats up with licenses and violations? you and me are random people on internet

" potentially your local European data laws."

If run locally, why?

With EU love for regulations soon everyone will exclude it without even reading those regulations.

The US has a strong record of interfering with foreign countries in way that advantage their interests, but at the same time the fact that you bring the “color revolution” phrase is a strong marker that you are reading way too much Russian (imperialist) propaganda disguised as anti-imperialism, which really is no better than feeding on the neoconservative narrative.

>You can have 35% inflation AND no drones or good arms in general.

I guess you can always be worse off as a country, no argument there.

>if this lack makes it easier to get invaded or "regime changed" into a failed style.

I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying it would be better if a country gets US weapons while being under threat of being "regime changed" into an enemy? Because that somehow seems even worse. And that's literally what the US was afraid of in Ukraine.

>The welfare of the Kurds

I suppose they don't care if the bombs are dropped by Turkish or US drones. But at least the sanctions delayed it by ~half a decade, so there's that.

???

I haven’t seen the narrative that Ukraine is winning the war for at least 2 years. You should maybe choose better news sources, there’s a huge amount of very accurate reporting on it.

Additionally, the Russian economy is a wartime economy, which runs hot till it collapses or wins. It’ll be fine till it’s not, but it’s very hard to predict what that point is.

Nobody is saying that Ukraine is winning the war. Like, genuinely, go find me any reputable news source saying anything of the like from the past 3 years.

Russia is definitely losing it though. Morons got themselves into a war they cannot win. Nothing Ukraine will accept can be considered a victory for the strongman dictator who needs a victory. And it's obvious now that regardless of brutality and war crimes, Russia cannot force Ukraine to accept their terms, nor can they actually occupy the whole country And they only have multiple times the population and economy and army.

> Their economy is dying crashing but it is actually doing better than most of Europe.

Based on what? Look up the parable of the broken window to understand why some of their economic numbers are looking decent. Them losing most of their export markets, replaced by others that pay less for the same stuff (India, China, buy discount oil and gas because Russia doesn't have that many options who to sell to) isn't a benefit for Russia.

> You should stop following western main stream media as that is as controlled in its own way as Chinese or Russian state owned media. You just have an illusion of freedoms.

This is an insulting false equivalence that can only come from a profound lack of knowledge or a profound personal/financial interest.

"Mainstream media* in the "west" is very varied. From the Financial Times to the Guardian to New York Times to Le Monde to whatever you can think of. You would never see Russian or Chinese state owned media criticising the dear leader nor the regime. Le Monde don't even flinch reporting on various political scandals of French politicians, including the sitting Prime Minister. Nor will they shy away from an apology and correction if they got something wrong. Same goes for most reputable and quality "mainstream" "western" media.

You'll never see anything of the like in China or Russia. Especially in the later, journalists literally get murdered for reporting on the regime. (Novaya Gazeta have had how many employees killed).

When I see how many people refuse to see the glaring inconsistencies in western propaganda like the ones you described and accept the apologetics because they feel an affinity to their tribe I stop wondering how China and Russia or indeed any other authoritarian regime ended up the way they did.

Which didn't stop the US and other western countries to embargo them after their invasion of northern Cyprus (yes it was in 1974, but it's when the Turkish domestic defense sector really started so it's not irrelevant even if it's 50 years old).

To be fair, it wasn't discussed until you made it part of your identity in your GP.

“Compete” is an economics term.

Making it cost more is keeping them from being as competitive — which is the point of sanctions.

Sounds like a weak argument to me, businesses are profit making entities, they certainly would be motivated to keep their profits irrespective of the cause.

Start insulting people when you have no arguments == blinded by ideology

Not really? The physical gate length matched the node name all throughout the 2000s.

You would think people like HN User corimaith would have learned from the ISS fiasco.

I've gotten to the point where I no longer even listen to people who underestimate the Chinese. Whatever points they're making can be safely ignored. Indeed, strategic sense demands we ignore them. The time for underestimating the Chinese is long past. That's not the reality we live in any longer.

It's not, at all. The EUV light source itself comes from an American company, for instance. The mirrors come from Zeiss. ASML integrate the parts into a system.

And it fails spectacularly when you see EU economic growth.

Unfortunately, apparently these lower-level concerns also seem to include building an industry around and benefitting from these innovations...

Calling TSMC "implementation details" is delusional.

If the only thing you needed to make cutting edge chips were some machines from ASML every country in the world would be making their own chips right now.

You just explained why they are scared.