hn_throwaway_99
9 hours ago
I love articles like this. I feel like too often in science education (at least my science education) that laws and theories are presented as just something that you need to memorize, when in my opinion the stories of how things were originally discovered and figured out is eminently more fascinating and inspiring. Like I remember having to learn all of these biochemical pathways, but I left school with nary a clue as to how these pathways were uncovered in the first place.
Thanks for submitting! Would welcome suggestions for any other publications on how scientific theories were first discovered.
stevenwoo
8 hours ago
Did you get your physics education in high school or university? I only had to take one physics class in the USA at college for my major, quantum electrodynamics for electrical engineering but my professor wrote the textbook and I recall he went over each experiment starting from the fundamentals of our understanding of the basics of the atom, Newton's understanding of light at the time, double slit experiment, to Maxwell's equations, the Michelson Morley ether experiment, to deriving then proving experimentally proving general relativity and decomposing GR into Newtonian physics/other laws of electromagnetism, I am still in awe at the people just figuring this stuff out from first principles.
Anyways, I haven't read this (have it on hold at my library) but someone recommended this book on reddit How to Make an Apple Pie from Scratch: In Search of the Recipe for Our Universe, from the Origins of Atoms to the Big Bang https://www.publishersweekly.com/9780385545655
augustusseizure
6 hours ago
What’s the name of that textbook? It sounds really interesting.
Isaac Asimov wrote a couple books that follow the narrative of science from the beginnings up until the 80s or so, which I highly recommend. One is called Atom and is more focused on how we got to our “present” understanding of particles. There’s also one that takes a broader view, it’s something like History of Science (? not at my bookshelf right now).
There’s several books in this genre for math as well. IMO it’s a much better structure for pedagogy since we can piggy back the education on our natural wiring to care about narrative and mystery/puzzles.
ghastmaster
4 hours ago
You're referring to The History of Physics. An excellent read for a budding mind.
Asimov was incredibly talented.
owyn
2 hours ago
I was looking at my parent's bookshelf and saw a book on Shakespeare and I recognized the author's name: Asimov!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asimov's_Guide_to_Shakespeare
It's like 800 pages, I haven't read it but I think I'll keep that one. Seems like it might be hard to find another physical copy. He was definitely prolific on a number of topics.
ddfs123
4 hours ago
That was my Physics too, but Chemistry just completely glanced over the history. Same thing with Mathematics, no backstory of mathematicians. I guess that either 1. Physics History is short enough, well-recorded, or 2. Physicists really like teaching their history.
SJC_Hacker
2 hours ago
Physicists seem to be always seeking a deeper understanding of everything, more so than other fields like biology and sometimes chemistry, who have a tendency to get bogged down into to the idiosyncrasies of particular phenomena.
shepherdjerred
2 hours ago
MIT has an excellent chem course on YouTube that goes into the history
hn_throwaway_99
2 hours ago
Yeah, in retrospect I think this aligns with my experience. But I'd even say that with the famous physics experiments I still remember often thinking "How did they get such precision with such primitive instruments?" I mean they would explain the experiments in very basic/schematic terms, but would have been nice to actually replicate I've to truly understand how it worked.
layer8
8 hours ago
> experimentally proving general relativity
Can you elaborate on that? What experiments did the professor perform?
stevenwoo
4 hours ago
I mis wrote, he talked about the experiments done to verify general and special relativity. Michelson-Morley was one of them that sticks in my mind along with some traveling atomic clocks. We never recreated the experiments like some of the other commenters did in their classes.
leafmeal
6 hours ago
I read Chasing the Molecule by John Buckingham recently and thoroughly enjoyed it! It give a good outline of the history of modern chemistry in a way that felt accessible but still thorough.
It also does a great job of explaining the different characters and their stories. Some little-known who moved chemistry forwards in profound ways, and others, very well-known, who through their loyalty to false theories ended up holding it back.
It's also a pretty short book when helps make it feel accessible.
NegativeLatency
6 hours ago
Discovering the quantization of the charge of electrons sounds like something you'd be interested in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_drop_experiment
We did it with several hundred volts (DC, scary) in college and it was pretty fun collecting the data and watching the numbers fall out in excel doing the analysis.
namuol
6 hours ago
So very true. The greatest science teachers understand the power that comes with the stories of scientific discovery.
Carl Sagan’s Cosmos and some of Richard Feynman’s best lectures come to mind as some of the most memorable examples, but I’m certain all the best teachers out there know to incorporate the historical and human aspects to bring the essential perspective and natural mnemonic anchors to otherwise “dry” subjects.
schrectacular
6 hours ago
As part of 9th grade biology we had to read "Microbe Hunters". The grades ahead insisted that it was awful and boring but I devoured the whole thing in a weekend. So thankful that it was part of the curriculum.
lern_too_spel
an hour ago
How we derived the laws and theories is science. (Some of the other commenters are mixing this together with biographies of the scientists, which is not science but is sometimes interesting in its own right.) The laws and theories in isolation are just trivia, and any class that teaches just those cannot truthfully be called a science class. Demand a better education.
RheingoldRiver
3 hours ago
I highly recommend this book! https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25238350-the-hunt-for-vu...
jonny_eh
24 minutes ago
I'd recommend this one instead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Short_History_of_Nearly_Ever...
at_a_remove
3 hours ago
When I was a tutor, mostly doing math, when it came to polynomials and that range, I would trick my students into deriving the quadratic equation. It's not even a full page. Almost all of them finished with a strange expression, and then we had the little "it was always there, waiting for someone to find it" chat.
Some people care about the history, some don't. I find when people talk about astrophysics stuff, most of them do not know the history and ought to, because most of their interpretations fall into the "Yes, that was a question in the 1960s but eventually ..."
If you want one for relativity, I strongly suggest Was Einstein Right? by Clifford Will. It dates from 1986, so it is nearly forty years behind now, but it covers the many experiments and tests of relativities special and general.