Honey, YouTubers are poisoning the kids

64 pointsposted 8 hours ago
by herbertl

78 Comments

nox101

7 hours ago

I don't feel like this problem is limited to kids. Youtube is a cesspool of people trying to find anything that will make them money and increase their subscribers. 80-90% of the stuff youtube recommends to me is just random people posting whatever they think will get them clicks. I'm into tech and 4 of 5 tech recommendations are just some random no one repeating the latest tech news with some sensational spin and click-bait title.

And, that's not even going into the non-tech world where it's 10x worse. Years ago that guy got in trouble for posting a dead body from a forest in Japan but just looking at what's recommended it's clear 90% for the content is just people trying to find some random non-topic and hyping it up.

Checking top recommendations right now

"Should I Buy This Chinook Helicopter? Craziest Barn Find Ever!"

"I Played Fortnite on World’s SMALLEST Keyboards"

"10 NEW Costco Deals You NEED To Buy in September 2024"

"I Bought VINTAGE vs NEW Beauty Products"

"My Daughter Survives WORLD'S TINIEST HOUSE"

I supposed the world was always this way given that there was a market for "World Weekly News" but "at scale" with millions more schlock producers it's horrifiying.

magneticcrumbs

7 hours ago

> I don't feel like this problem is limited to kids.

It’s not, but the point is that they are typically the most vulnerable group of people. What the author wrote doesn’t imply that the problem is limited to kids.

The dead body guy is Logan Paul, he is doing a collab with MrBeast, it’s in the article.

ffsm8

6 hours ago

I find it hilarious that repeat scammers like Logan Paul have a growing audience.

Same with the shit Mr Beast pulls. Viewers just don't care, the dumber and more extreme the content is, the bigger the audience ultimately becomes.

It was the same with Linus Tech Tips before, completely bogus and amature opinions dressed up by tech bros with lots of noise and people actually watch it. While he lost some of his audience last year on his narcissistic rant, his views seem to have mostly recovered by now. Truly mind blowing.

EQYV

6 hours ago

What about LTT is objectionable?

kayge

6 hours ago

It's a bummer that NetworkChuck makes use of very similarly-styled titles [0], so it feels like I have to take an extra step when recommending his content to friends/coworkers, but I think he's one of a select few creators who is still worth watching even if it's just for some surface-level introductions to new topics or fun simple projects.

[0] e.g. "you STILL need a website RIGHT NOW!! (yes, even in 2024)"

dzhiurgis

31 minutes ago

Someone needs to fork freetube and add an llm to dehype the videos

edit: just found DeArrow kinda does this - crowdsources titles

MisterTea

7 hours ago

> "World Weekly News"

At least it was relegated to the magazine stands and check out line at the grocery market. You had to physically travel to see yet alone obtain a copy. Now it's in your pocket 24/7. Bat boy would be displeased.

bradgessler

8 hours ago

What aggravates me about YouTube is there's some great content that would be amazing for kids, but it's mixed with lots of garbage. Since YouTube doesn't provide any reasonable way for people to curate and share these allow lists with others, I end up completely blocking it on various devices, resulting in less hours of viewership for YouTube.

jsheard

8 hours ago

The way they handle YouTube Kids is bizarre, the YT moderators can unilaterally decide that a channel is appropriate for kids with no easy way for the channel owner to contest that decision. That's repeatedly led to adult-oriented animations and mature parodies of kids shows getting the official YouTube Kids seal of approval against the wishes of the actual creator.

Maybe I'm being too generous by assuming there are moderators making the decisions, it's probably an algorithm.

Tomte

8 hours ago

YouTube Kids is bizarre in many ways. Why can‘t I add such a video to a play list (or at least „watch later“), if it‘s marked as for children?

cholantesh

7 hours ago

And why can't I play the audio in the background? These decisions make zero sense.

jsheard

7 hours ago

That's deliberate, they do let you play audio in the background if you pay for YT Premium. I think hacked clients like ReVanced can enable it for free.

cholantesh

7 hours ago

Yeah I use revanced, but find that if I minimize the video, it pauses; I don't have this issue with other vids. I need to switch focus out of the app entirely to actually get it to continue playing.

jachriga

7 hours ago

In the "How to work for Mr Beast" leak, the "no doesn't mean no" section absolutely boggles my mind.

For decades (probably centuries!), the phrase "don't take no for an answer" has always been a common sales technique. If the customer says they aren't interested, you don't necessarily just walk away from the sale. You can continue to try. Why wouldn't they have used that extraordinarily common phrase? The paragraph under the header only ever describes the same concept.

Who thought it was appropriate to negate the "no means no" phrasing that has almost exclusively referred to sexual consent for all recent memory?

TeMPOraL

7 hours ago

> Who thought it was appropriate to negate the "no means no" phrasing that has almost exclusively referred to sexual consent for all recent memory?

Most likely he did it for the same reason any of his video titles are what they are. He's an influencer (or these days, a corporation pretending to be an influencer); he lives and breathes clickbait.

t0bia_s

7 hours ago

Only way to watch YT by kids is FreeTube.io with blocked ads, skipping sponsored content, disabled autoplay and disabled recommendations.

Or browser with uBlock Origin and plugin Unhook, that lets you block recommendations, shorts, trends, autoplay, etc.

throwup238

8 hours ago

Was PRIME juice the inspiration for the South Park CRED drink? Or is it just the latest brand to exploit this marketing channel?

sharpshadow

7 hours ago

For folks who didn’t watch the episode, South Park (Ep. 327) highlighted the issue of peer pressure among kids in school. All kids had to have a COOL drink bottle to be accepted. Your status was linked to the rarity of your COOL bottle.

It’s even worse than just marketing to kids, it affects their social life and school time.

gs17

8 hours ago

Yes, CRED is a satire of PRIME, the design is very similar.

farceSpherule

8 hours ago

Social media is poisoning kids? No. You don't say. It's poisoning society.

krick

6 hours ago

While true, I don't think it's something new and unique, and by no means it's "consequence of technology entering their lives far too early". If anything, it's author's inability to see a plank in his own eye. In the hindsight, it was 100% the same thing with us (me specifically) watching TV cartoons with sketchy ads in between. That was before MrBeast was even born, and while I may dislike him more than others because of his creepy face, he is literally an amateur compared to Coca-Cola and Paramount.

MisterTea

6 hours ago

I grew up with TV in the 80's. I remember the myriad of shows created solely to sell toys. Those shilled toys and food items required a lot of money and production. Plus the FCC and parental orgs kept those TV people on their toes. Now any doofus with a phone is a "youtuber" and there is little if any over-site.

Also realize you usually had one TV in the house and when mom or dad wanted to watch it was their turn no matter what. Cartoons were limited from ~2-5PM on weekdays and Saturday mornings till noon. Sundays were a wash. You had these small slots where you were captivated then you did other things, usually homework on weekdays or go play with friends on weekends. Even when I got older and got my own TV it was OTA limited with time slots.

Kids dont have that separation anymore. These things live with them 24/7 and they have little if any regulation.

crtasm

5 hours ago

Exactly, imagine if TVs had tried to grab our attention every time a new episode became available.

dcchambers

8 hours ago

I have never watched a 'Mr. Beast' video in full but I've caught clips here and there. From the very first time I saw his style of content I knew that it was something I would never let my kids watch willingly. His fake authenticity is sickening, and to be blunt I don't know how he's conned so many people into believing he is a genuinely good person that makes good content.

My kids are still far too young for unsupervised YouTube/TV time and are still firmly in the "Bluey or Ms. Rachel" age, but there's already a hardline Mr. Beast ban in my house. Hopefully by the time they're old enough to want that kind of content Mr. Beast is but a memory and YouTube will have much better content controls in place.

Sadly that seems unlikely - and AI-generated content is not going to help.

Beast and so many other YouTubers that target the very malleable 10-13 years are causing brain rot like we've never seen before.

magneticcrumbs

7 hours ago

> I don't know how he's conned so many people into believing he is a genuinely good person that makes good content.

A lot of people seem to genuinely believe that he is really doing good for the world and purely out of good will — these people literally believe what they see on camera and they don’t think twice about why someone would ensure that every act of philanthropy _must_ be on camera (MrBeast has said that on many occasions and even wrote it down).

mmmlinux

8 hours ago

Do enough young people even watch TV for banning adverting junk food before 9pm will help anything? clearly advertisers will go to these less regulated platforms which are probably substantially more effective and cheaper.

kiba

8 hours ago

This focus on advertising junk food to children is ignoring the fact that it's a system wide issue, not limited to just children. Our food system as a whole is definitely helping to kill us.

Never mind the facts that most advertising is toxic sludge that support the generation of internet slops.

kbar13

8 hours ago

it helps, because if there are /any/, then it affects them.

drawkward

8 hours ago

Advertising is a virus that will infect all ecosystems.

gdevenyi

8 hours ago

How are these children hearing about these products in the first place?

YouTube is not a place for children.

recursive

8 hours ago

If you think kids watching youtube are outliers, I've got some shocking news.

aidenn0

8 hours ago

My local elementary school gave every kid a chromebook and refused to take it away from my son when he was watching YT videos instead of doing classwork. We had to get him diagnosed with ADHD and file under the Americans with Disabilities Act to require the teacher take away the chromebook if he was using it for non-school related activities.

drawkward

7 hours ago

Same story for my kid, sadly.

gwbas1c

5 hours ago

Get a life. Some of my kids' favorite videos are on Youtube.

As many flaws as the platform has, Youtube breaks down gatekeepers because anyone can upload a video.

dylan604

8 hours ago

Which rock have you been living under?

Parents used TV as a baby sitter. Parents then used VHS/DVDs as a baby sitter. Parents then used YouTube as a babysitter. It's just the next step on the ladder.

drawkward

7 hours ago

Schools use chromebooks as a babysitter/"teaching device"

mass_and_energy

8 hours ago

We need to be teaching young people the skills for critical thinking when it comes to advertisements. These companies pay teams to work full time to outsmart our monkey-brains, and it's not fair to expect the average person to have the time to educate themselves about this. By making it part of the curriculum in social studies, we can empower the next generations to make informed decisions instead of being hoodwinked by the endless psychological strategies employed by advertising firms and influencers.

candiddevmike

8 hours ago

How do you plan to do that with 4 year olds?

I don't understand how the "think of the children" outrage hasn't spilled over into advertising. Must be good advertising.

mass_and_energy

8 hours ago

I can't speak for all countries, but generally speaking in Canada as well as USA, social studies isn't taught in kindergarten to that level.

To be clear: 4 year olds usually can't count high enough to understand that 100 pennies is akin to one dollar. So as far as being concerned about what they're spending their money on, you're a little early for that worry.

I feel like you already know this though. You're no fool Mike, surely you already knew this, so what's your endgame here? Are you looking for confrontation? Or do you have a better idea?

drawkward

8 hours ago

Because parents are unwilling to admit that they have been allowing their children to be brainwashed.

mass_and_energy

7 hours ago

Honestly it's half this and half the fact that the people who have the power to make the changes required are profiting from deceptive advertising practices by means of shell-owned stocks in OMC, IPG, and the like.

geoffhill

8 hours ago

I found myself empathizing more with MrBeast and his kid audience than the grump who wrote this article.

magneticcrumbs

7 hours ago

Care to elaborate? It’s pretty reasonable to be emotional if you feel like your loved ones are being manipulated, especially if they’re children. The article isn’t even that grumpy that it doesn’t deserve reasonable considerations from readers.

mschuster91

8 hours ago

I 'member YouTube back when it wasn't all dog shit. People uploaded their cats, dogs and other pets doing pet shenanigans. Some youth went viral uploading videos of harmless pranks. A ton of people made very good educational content. Some put up chunks of concerts, modern bootleggers.

But nowadays? Content theft runs utterly rampant - and I'm not talking about the oh-so-poor multi billion movie conglomerates being the victims here. I'm talking about the countless content farms that get by just 1:1 re-uploading other people's videos. I'm talking about "meme pages" that do just the same, not even bothering to tag the original creators of the stuff they steal. I'm talking about "reaction video" streamers that not just (again) steal other people's content, but often enough drive their rabid fanbase to dogpile upon whomever/whatever they "reacted" upon. All of that driven by the sweet sweet nectar of YouTube Ad revenue sharing.

And that's just the relatively harmless content thieves. Money also drives a lot of other very problematic kinds of YouTubers, especially ever since sponsoring became the norm rather than the exception for those creating high value/effort content: shilling literally dangerous and unsafe supplements, one-shoe-fits-all VPNs promising much but delivering not much to people who don't need them (other than, ironically, to bypass Youtube's geoblocking), even more supplements, cryptocurrencies, various forms of gambling, questionable "mental health" providers that deliver pages upon pages of warnings and horror stories when you just search once for them, scams like "Established Titles" [1]...

Then come all the "pranks" and "challenges" that often enough led to kids and youths injuring themselves in the process [2] (and sometimes unfortunately even killing them such as with the Tide pod challenge [3]), or outright anti-social behavior that got cheered upon by rowdy commenters. Some particularly braindead, ruthless (or however else you want to call them) arseholes exploit homeless people for clicks [6].

And finally, the politics. The alt-right/incel/conspiracy radicalisation funnel has been documented to insane depths [4], but nowadays it seems to have shifted mostly to TikTok [7] as YouTube (finally) took action after widespread media reports [5].

Oh and then the personalities. It sucks that so many streamers - particularly in the German scene [8] - ended up with allegations of all sorts of misconduct. Domestic violence, sexual abuse, grooming of minors in their fan base, the same shit that happens to a lot of stars that got popular as kids, the fame ruins their heads and makes them believe they can get away with anything.

I miss the old Internet, one that was not dominated by people willing to sell out everyone and their dog for clicks and ad revenue. Probably the only YouTuber I can actually still recommend who a) never shilled bullshit in his career and b) still does the same good content he started with is DaveHax. Even Simon's Cat has gone down the drain years ago when every new video turned out to be 75%+ recycled older material...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Established_Titles

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/01/17/youtube...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumption_of_Tide_Pods

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right_pipeline

[5] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/23/youtube-g...

[6] https://www.vice.com/en/article/homeless-people-are-not-prop...

[7] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1472586X.2023.2...

[8] https://www.ingame.de/news/streaming/streamer-skandale-2022-...

gwbas1c

5 hours ago

> I 'member YouTube back when it wasn't all dog shit.

And that was...?

The first video I ever watched on Youtube, in 2005, was a teenager acting goofy in front of the camera.

The second video I ever watched on YouTube, in 2005, was teenagers goofing around a toilet, and I turned it off because I thought they were going to show actual shit in the toilet.

Oh, wait, you said dog shit. That was human shit. My bad.

But, jokes aside, the whole point of YouTube is that anyone can upload anything. There are no gatekeepers. What do you expect? The content was always shit from the beginning; the only thing that's changed is that it turns out that, if you remove the gatekeepers, people will exploit it. (And if you have gatekeepers, the gatekeepers exploit their power.)

jeffbee

8 hours ago

I don't know how to explain it but my teenage kids see right through Mr. Beast and are very skeptical about all other online content. Basically they won't believe anything on the Internet, and they decline to watch anything that has markers of popularity. If it has a lot of views or likes they close the tab. I don't really think that is my influence, it's their generation.

gjsman-1000

8 hours ago

Ironically, by complaining about MisterBeast being a grifter and using so much loaded language, the author comes off as a grifter to me. Or at a minimum (especially looking at his other output), “old man yells at clouds.”

ThrowawayTestr

8 hours ago

Adult concerned the kids aren't all right. Tale as old as time.

gjsman-1000

8 hours ago

Yes; however, the language used in the article is unapologetically wildly emotional to the point that the credibility falls apart. Maybe it’s just me, but honest people don’t feel like they are trying to manipulate me.

magneticcrumbs

8 hours ago

Not sure if you noticed the irony in what you said…

j45

8 hours ago

It may seem wildly unemotional but is it out of the realm of what surprise might feel like upon learning this?

gjsman-1000

8 hours ago

I’m saying the impartiality of the author is out of the window, was thrown on the lawn, and then driven over by a lawnmower.

I’m sure I could make you look like a miserable failure if I spun your resumé hard enough.

j45

8 hours ago

Appreciate the Mr. Beast type hyperbole.

The fundamental issue is unmanaged exposure to devices and content does harm to children, and both platforms and content is complicit in it.

Too calm?

user

8 hours ago

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magneticcrumbs

8 hours ago

To people responding to this comment, maybe you don’t realise that YouTube has an app for kids with parental controls that a lot of parents do use?

Try installing and do some search if you have never tried that before. It doesn’t take long before you find predatory content that leads to more predatory content.

gjsman-1000

8 hours ago

Alright then, I’ve got a great idea: age verification for the internet.

Don’t like it? That’s the future people like the author would endorse, and what every legislator is going to try to spin this story to do.

I don’t like MrBeast, I even mispronounced his channel name in my original comment. The authors implicit proposal to fix it though is a trap.

I believe the emotional language is a design choice to lead readers to be more favorable to such a proposal. It has nothing to do with MrBeast specifically.

drawkward

8 hours ago

>That’s the future people like the author would endorse

Surely not; author explicitly brought up the looming ban on kid-focused advertising during kid-waking hours.

magneticcrumbs

7 hours ago

I don’t know if you are trolling but you have been using pretty loaded and manipulative language yourself.

For the record, the new trend to shill MrBeast is to pretend to be neutral while you discredit the side against MrBeast more. Most of the time these people have a lot to say about MrBeast even though they say they don’t care or don’t like MrBeast. So…

mschuster91

8 hours ago

> Yes; however, the language used in the article is unapologetically wildly emotional to the point that the credibility falls apart.

Shilling shit with lead contamination to kids warrants jail time IMHO. An emotion filled rant text should be the least of his worries in any civilized society.

vorpalhex

4 hours ago

It's not clear the products are actually lead contaminated.

ERC does claim it.. but with no lab report, no mention of ppb, etc. ERC itself lists no staff or public owner, and does business out of Georgia but flags people in violation of prop65 which is California law.

Their website is mostly dead links and exclusively stock images.

user

8 hours ago

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magneticcrumbs

7 hours ago

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throwup238

7 hours ago

That happens when the number of comments exceeds the number of upvotes. IIRC meant to detect and downgrade controversial topics.

bentruyman

8 hours ago

Where are all these poisoned children getting the cash to buy these things?

nitwit005

8 hours ago

Traditionally advertising time slots on kids television shows were dramatically cheaper, because as you notice, kids don't have any money.

j45

8 hours ago

The children in the article wanted to spend their pocket money.

This is a short sighted and unaware comment.

It starts with desire.

And carrying it regardless of whether there is money or not.

And what the feeling of lack in an impressionable child can do.

The fundamental issue is unmanaged exposure to devices and content does harm to children.

bentruyman

6 hours ago

Who manages the exposure to the devices a children has? Where did they get these devices from in the first place?

chihuahua

8 hours ago

By relentlessly bugging their parents to buy them these things

bentruyman

6 hours ago

Oh true, I didn't consider that. I guess parents have no agency over their children.

gjsman-1000

8 hours ago

So gasp, parents have to use the hardest word in the English language and do their job? Heaven forbid.

splwjs

8 hours ago

This take shows up a lot and it's a bad one.

"I can surround your child with dangerous unhealthy things and do my best to corrupt and poison them, there should be no limit to this behavior whatsoever because if I succeed it's your fault for being bad parents! All you have to do is say no, it's not like it's my full time job to make end-runs around you with the aid of behavioral science and psychology and a budget, no no no guiding your children morally is as simple as saying no once, are you too stupid and lazy to do that?".

ziddoap

8 hours ago

Your comment is one extreme.

"Parents should just say no" is another extreme.

I would put money on the best solution being somewhere between those two extremes.

vundercind

8 hours ago

… what’s the second extreme expressed here? I see the same one stated two ways.

ziddoap

7 hours ago

gjsman-1000 says that all responsibility falls to the parent for failing to say no.

splwjs says that corporations have the responsibility because they spend billions on psychological manipulation campaigns.

candiddevmike

8 hours ago

There are a lot of parents that don't/can't say no. Those are the whales these advertisers are hunting for. The ones who's parents do say no and are "left out" or bullied are just collateral damage.

chihuahua

7 hours ago

Also, it's not just saying "no" once. It's a hundred times a day, every day, for years.

drawkward

8 hours ago

My teenager has a mom who abandoned him to me when he was two, but is more than happy to send him money on any of several apps.

Your view of the world lacks much nuance.