pelagicAustral
a day ago
One thing I can tell about Apple is they could make at least a few extra grand in any quarter if they were to bring back the 27' iMac
layer8
a day ago
Same for the iPhone mini. ;)
tristanj
a day ago
The iPhone mini was a commercial flop. The sales numbers were bad. It only accounted for about 3–5% of total iPhone sales. And the product didn't make sense from a business standpoint: it required specialized/miniaturized hardware, took more engineering work than other models to design, cost more to manufacture than a regular iPhone, but had to be sold for less.
From an engineering standpoint, it was the most impressive iPhone Apple had ever made, but that fact doesn't translate to sales numbers.
There's a very vocal group of people online saying they want smaller phones, who make it sound like there's massive untapped demand for these phones, but when you actually give it to them, it turns out they're just a tiny slice of the market.
kasey_junk
a day ago
I’m a huge fan of small iPhones and only recently replaced it with a standard size model. I pretty much hate it for all the reasons I expected.
But when I looked up the sales numbers for all of the smaller phone versions I had to admit I must be pretty far outside the normal buyer. The market really spoke on this.
jerlam
a day ago
We'll always wonder if the iPhone Mini would still be around if Apple positioned and priced it as a specialty premium device, like the iPad Mini, instead of a worse mainstream iPhone.
jasomill
12 hours ago
The iPad mini was released at a price point lower than the contemporary iPad, and IIRC this continued for several generations.
Grombobulous
a day ago
I thought I’d love my iPhone mini for these same reasons.
It turns out that the reachable nature of it wasn’t really that much of a benefit compared to the downsides: short battery life (going from the 12 mini to 13 mini helped, barely), small text/interface (my eyes literally started hurting), reduced area to see content while typing, compromised cameras compared to the Pro models.
Add a $30 PopSocket to your phone and all the problems with a bigger phone are resolved.
The iPhone mini competed with a $30 accessory.
mox1
a day ago
Aka 6million units. During the same period when the Pixel sold 10 million.
So every ipad , watch, mac sku that sells < 5% of the overall product line is immediately taken out back to the wood shed?
I guess, but when my iPhone is no longer supported, I’m migrating my entire family on to something else. 3 watches, 3 ipads and 2 phones…so its not always about the % sold.
bethekidyouwant
a day ago
“Something else”
layer8
a day ago
> it required specialized/miniaturized hardware
Looking at the earlier smaller iPhones and the budget SE line, at least the “miniaturized” part isn’t very convincing.
illiac786
9 hours ago
My take is, the target audience for small phones is slow moving and they didn’t persist long enough.
I somehow live in a bubble where the mini has a huge market share, every third person I know have one. And guess what, they’re all non-techies.
Grombobulous
a day ago
Not just special miniaturized hardware, on the software side it must have been at least a non-zero pain to deal with.
layer8
a day ago
The logical screen size was the same as the iPhone 11 Pro (375x812), so the iPhone mini didn’t add a new display size, and everything rendered exactly the same as on the 11 Pro (which itself was merely a vertical extension of the earlier iPhone Plus resolution). The display is rendered internally at the 11 Pro’s physical resolution (1125x2436) and then downscaled to the mini’s physical resolution (1080x2340). Similar internal downscaling had already been done on the earlier iPhone Plus models, so also nothing new. The 11 Pro is still supported by current iOS, same as the mini.
It was, to the contrary, the non-mini iPhone 12 that introduced a new resolution and required adjustments.
Jtsummers
a day ago
> on the software side it must have been at least a non-zero pain to deal with
Compared to the iPhone Duo now in the lineup? And the iPhone Air was announced with some pride from the Apple hardware team for its special miniaturized hardware.
There may not be a market for an iPhone Mini-sized device when looking at the buyers, but the custom hardware and tweaks to software aren't a clear consideration for Apple when you look at their behavior with other products.
Grombobulous
a day ago
By “pain” I mean “providing an acceptable experience” more than “needing to make different scaled apps.”
I think with the iPhone Duo you at least have a larger screen that the user can utilize. On the iPhone mini the screen was as big as it was going to get.
If the experience of using a specific app is bad, the user can open the phone.
user
a day ago
pentae
a day ago
The SE 2 launched in April 2020 at US$399, six months before the 12 mini. Anyone who mainly wanted a small iPhone had already bought one, so the mini’s natural audience was split before it launched.
For most of the world, the phone is the only screen they have, so of course they want a big one. People who carry a laptop and want a light portable phone for messages, maps and payments are a minority, and a fairly wealthy one.
The Mini also outperformed in Japan, which sales are now declining in.
Unwieldy overpriced bricks being forced on everyone doesn't seem like a good long term strategy.
r0fl
a day ago
Just buy iPhone Duo and keep it closed. Same size as mini and incredible battery life.
layer8
14 hours ago
It’s not the same size at all, much wider and heavier (both wider and heavier than the Pro Max). One-handed use is a very different experience on the Duo than on the mini, and it’s quite thick and heavy in one’s pocket.
cherioo
a day ago
But those few extra grands of revenue at the cost of millions in design and inventory to support that product
Not to mention, at the price apple is selling their 27 inch display, i am doubtful anyone buying them want to make do with the base M chip. But if not the base chip, that will add even more inventory cost
user
17 hours ago
GeekyBear
a day ago
Mac revenue being up 24% vs last year makes me think that users have figured out that they can just plug a Mac Mini into the monitor they already have.
andy_ppp
a day ago
They would not, they would make less on Studio Displays and Mac Studios and Mac Minis, the decision not to do is product segmentation because they hate us customers and want to maximise revenue :-/
windowsrookie
a day ago
My grandmother with a 2015 27" iMac and a 2017 12" Macbook just replaced both devices with a 13" Macbook Air and a 27" Dell USB-C monitor. She would have preferred buying a MacBook Air + a 27" iMac, but Apple stubbornly refuses to make one for some reason. The studio display has an A19 chip in it already (more powerful than a MacBook neo!) why not just make it run MacOS?
pelagicAustral
a day ago
Yeah. I mean, I guess I could go out of my way to make it work, but I'm halfway being nostalgic. Why cant they just keep doing the same form factor?? Anyway. Im on linux these days, I get gaming too thanks to Gabe, so i cant complain... but if there was ever a 27" imac, I'd put my money were my mouth is.
xattt
a day ago
It may be a break-glass-in-case-of-slumping-sales-numbers option, the same way VW brought out a 4Motion Golf wagon (with a manual[!] with an LSD[!]) in NA after Dieselgate.
NoMoreNicksLeft
a day ago
I see no point in buying a Mac Studio. I would buy a 27" iMac. I would definitely buy a 35" iMac.
I might as well just get some Asus and whatever fancy monitor I can afford (that's not a Mac Studio) if it just has to be a tangle of hardware.
specialist
21 hours ago
I borked my cherished 2019 trying to embiggen its CPU.
So I bought one of those spiffy Studio Display units in anticipation of the Mac Mini refresh.
But my strategy didn't account for local LLM mania.
I'll be postponing my purchase so long as used Mac Minis, if you can find one, remain as (or more) expensive as a new one.