New 3D thermal invisibility cloak makes objects disappear from infrared cameras

116 pointsposted 7 days ago
by stevenalowe

45 Comments

whatsakandr

4 days ago

This headline is wrong. This has nothing to do with thermal cameras. It's "cloaking" by making it appear to have the same bulk thermal properties as it's surroundings.

schiffern

4 days ago

Yes. Unfortunately many people are reading this thinking it's a FLIR invisibility cloak.

FYI Ukraine already has FLIR invisibility cloaks (fancy camo space blankets): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfdF3iIwoX4

This is thermal cloak, explained here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM2RJi4mRZ0&t=52s

Notably it only works after the heat flow settles back down to equilibrium. If you're moving, it doesn't work.

simonh

3 days ago

There are loads of videos of Ukrainian FPV drones with thermal cameras hunting Russians trying to hide using something like space blankets. The blankets work up to a point, if the target were completely covered they would be hard to spot, but if parts of the soldier are not covered or are revealed during movement, it doesn't work out well for the target.

The videos remind me of the scene in Dune where Paul is hiding from the hunter-seeker that tracks based on movement.

natpalmer1776

4 days ago

Which seems like it would be good for fixed installations that need to remain undetected, no?

schiffern

4 days ago

The other caveat is that it only works if you're embedded inside a solid object. ;)

If you're in free space, the surface can't shine its IR differently in different directions, so under FLIR it will just look like the average ambient temperature. This is no better than existing (cheap and light) space blanket camo systems.

petsfed

3 days ago

The main problem with space blankets is that they eventually heat up. So they only work for a little while, and then have to re-equilibrate back to ambient, then you put them back on, then take off to re-equilibrate...

So this new tech appears to overcome that shortcoming, for static objects.

m4rtink

3 days ago

Well, could be still useful for hiding things in bulk materials ?

From scientific uses (sensors, cables or supports not disrupting experiments) to smuggling/hiding listening devices/trackers or boobytraps in bulk shipments, etc.

giantg2

3 days ago

More likely craft looking to reduce heat seeking missles or detection. Think better heat diffusion on helicopter or tank exhaust. Fixed installations would use thermal nets or space blankets.

inSumErgoCogito

3 days ago

So a "heatpump cooling", store concentrated heat and inject it into the ground would work much better?

BugsJustFindMe

3 days ago

> It's "cloaking" by making it appear to have the same bulk thermal properties as it's surroundings.

I'm not sure what you think the difference is?

bitwize

3 days ago

We have AIs hacking people's computers and brains, and now we have the Major's thermo-optic camouflage. They were right to keep the newest Ghost in the Shell set in 2029-2030. Seems like it's right on time.

AuthAuth

4 days ago

This is gonna be going straight to Ukraine

sebstefan

4 days ago

> Although the current cloak represents a major advance, the researchers want to develop more sophisticated versions capable of performing additional functions. One particularly important goal is to conceal objects that produce heat themselves

I read the entire thing thinking it could cloak a soldier

scotty79

4 days ago

It could cloak a well insulated soldier from being a dark spot on the background.

user

4 days ago

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nickandbro

4 days ago

I believe the Russians tried something similar in Ukraine with cloaking themselves to fool infrared drones.

qlte

4 days ago

Using 50 cent Mylar blankets which ... did not work like they hoped from the videos I've seen.

fwip

3 days ago

I mean, you're not gonna see the videos in which they did work.

tescreal

4 days ago

Next cyberpunk wizpop toy: thermoptic cameoflage.

The future is turning out to be fascinating as concerning.

computemachines

4 days ago

Maybe this could be used to hide a cold spot from a wafer bake pin.

nxobject

4 days ago

A Faraday for heat, eh?

dalmo3

4 days ago

I've always wanted to hide apples inside pears.

jagged-chisel

4 days ago

Does this work for things that emit heat?

thenthenthen

4 days ago

The article mentions thats the next step

SeanAnderson

4 days ago

Doesn't everything emit heat? :)

chorsestudios

4 days ago

no, the vacuum of space does not emit heat

antonvs

3 days ago

Interstellar space behaves as an almost perfect blackbody radiator, at a temperature of 2.725 Kelvin, due to the cosmic microwave background. As such, it does "emit heat", albeit an extremely small, but measurable amount.

user

4 days ago

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glitchc

4 days ago

Let me answer your question with a question: Does the infrared camera detect emitted heat?

antonvs

3 days ago

Not clear where your question is coming from, but it detects heat that's emitted as infrared radiation.

bamboozled

4 days ago

Bad luck skynet

keyle

4 days ago

And that Predator monster!

graboy

4 days ago

Wow, a blanket!

scotty79

4 days ago

When you cover yourself with the blanket, others see the blanket. When you cover yourself with this, others see background.

SV_BubbleTime

4 days ago

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jdlshore

4 days ago

Is dismissing people’s work so rudely how you make yourself feel superior?

thin_carapace

4 days ago

that guy taught me something new about glass in a snarky fashion , while you delivered pure snark. no comment to add, merely an observation

tarpitt

4 days ago

you can't make a drone entirely out of glass

onion2k

4 days ago

Can you fly a drone that's covered with a cloak?

mrandish

4 days ago

Probably not very well if the drone is the typical (quad)copter type since the shield will likely obstruct the airflow from the propellers reducing lift. The added weight of the shield is also likely to be a problem in small drones as most are already weight constrained. Although in small electric copters like those used in Ukraine, I'm not sure how often thermal imaging is used as a primary detection vector (due to size, distance and daytime thermal delta from below).

Thermal is definitely a primary vector in detecting larger drones like the Reaper due to large combustion or jet engines, but in that case the challenge isn't cloaking the drone, it's cloaking the heat of the vented exhaust that's likely leaving a thermal 'contrail' across the sky.