Scene_Cast2
3 days ago
One issue I've had with swapping fans for Noctuas is the airflow matching. The louder fans aren't louder just because they're lower quality (which they definitely are), but also because (almost always in my experience) they force more air through.
That unit from the article sounds very temperature sensitive. I'd be wary of throwing a precision unit like that out of spec and out of calibration.
FWIW I've noctua-swapped so many things including an oscilloscope.
myself248
3 days ago
He mentions that he's running it in an air-conditioned studio, so presumably if the unit's datasheet lists an environmental range warmer than that, it has plenty of cooling headroom in this environment.
The last rubidium oscillator I played with, had to heat the vapor cell within the physics package, but then prevent that from overheating the rest of the unit, so it specified mounting to a heatsink. There was no heatsink recommendation given, just a certain package temperature as reported by sensor value X in the diagnostic data page. Get below that and you're golden. Get too much below that and you're wasting extra energy in the heater. Which is harmless, it just drives power consumption up.
So depending on how the unit's thermals work out, a slightly less aggressive fan may end up being mildly beneficial.
kelvie
3 days ago
I've also noctua swapped many of my things!
One of my slightly embarassing ones was the fan on one of my Nanlite lights was always on, do I thought to swap it with a noctua one so at least it'll probably be quieter.
When I took it apart, it turns out it was already a 12cm noctua... Black edition.
pseudohadamard
3 days ago
Airflow is typically measured for worst-case scenarios or not measured at all but just something pulled off a datasheet and then they install the cheapest fan they can find that meets the specs. My SOP is to open the case, get thermal readings, drop in a Noctua, and keep dropping the voltage while taking thermal readings to make sure nothing is getting too hot. I've got an NVR where I've dropped the speed to the lowest at which it will still start and it's still blowing cold air through the vents, so the 40mm screamer that was there initially was total overkill.
You can also get non-Noctua hydrodynamic bearing fans with polycarbonate blades and silicone mounts which are supposed to be very quiet, but I've never compared one against a Noctua. Anyone done a comparison?
trentor
3 days ago
You can just look at the airflow charts and buy accordingly?
geerlingguy
3 days ago
The best way is to measure temps before (ideally over at least 1-2 hours), then to measure temps the same amount of time after and compare.
In the case of this Rb oscillator, it is temperature sensitive, but also built for pretty extreme environments.
I'm not too worried about this particular application, because the clock will be in an air conditioned environment, and I'm monitoring the clock accuracy to +/- 2ns from another GPSDO / rubidium clock. The performance before and after the fan swap is within my measurement noise for 24H, though I haven't done 30+ day measurements and ADEV comparison. Still working on a consistent test setup.
schiffern
3 days ago
The GRClok datasheet[0] gives its operating range as -10 to 55 °C (14-131 °F). The integrated Calnex unit only says it should be kept at +/- 1 °C for rated stability, but otherwise it just mentions 25 °C.[1]
Considering the new airflow rating is 9.4 m^3/h (vs 16.8[2]), yes it sounds like plenty of headroom.
[0] https://safran-navigation-timing.com/wp-content/uploads/2023...
[1] https://cdn-adepci5.actonsoftware.com/acton/cdna/28343/f-bf4...
wowczarek
3 days ago
> You can just look at the airflow charts and buy accordingly?
Not with Noctua and the likes, not always at least. These fans are quiet, but they are not made of magic fairy dust. They simply max out at lower flow rates than some of the the noisy, high-RPM fans people replace with them. Those 40 mm Noctuas, apart from voltage options, don't really come in many varieties.
It's a trade-off - you definitely lose the upper end of the device's original temperature range, but if it's stable under your conditions - great. How do you find out? Well, you replace the fans and check if it sizzles or not.
And funnily enough, a LOT of equipment these days isn't made with formal thermal design, they simply throw in high-cfm fans and... check if it sizzles. It usually doesn't because there's plenty of headroom. It's loud, but who cares since it's not meant to sit on your bench.
Source: replaced PSU and chassis fans in countless pieces of network and test & measurement equipment.
rcxdude
3 days ago
If you do you'll often find there isn't an equivalent noctua part.
numpad0
3 days ago
I wish Noctua fan fans realized they're fan equivalent of "unsafe languages such as C++" Rust fanatics. Even actual Rust fanatics would see how that kind of attempted advocacy is counterproductive.
legitronics
3 days ago
I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
tehlike
3 days ago
They are trying to say you cannot blindly swap for noctua if you don't know what specs you need for a fan.