robertheadley
4 hours ago
They really need to ban sports betting nationally. It is really bad for society.
cj
4 hours ago
I don't agree with banning it.
But I do agree with increasing the friction involved in signing up and depositing money.
It should not be possible to 1) sign up for kalshi, 2) complete identity verification, AND 3) deposit and place a $2000 real money bet --- within 5 minutes of downloading the app.
It's just way too damn easy. Let's at least make people wait 24 hours before placing their first bet... or something.
And stop allowing deposits with credit cards. This is most important.
giancarlostoro
6 minutes ago
Can't buy lottery tickets without cold hard cash, all betting should be done with cold hard cash, no more apps.
bko
3 hours ago
I don't think the equivalent of waiting periods make sense.
If anything they should just ban advertising. Simple, worked for smoking for the most part, and we have precedent as it's harmful. Why does every sporting event have so many ads and sponsorships by these betting companies.
The worst thing about these sites is that they're necessarily net negative. If you win regularly, you'll be kicked off these platforms. They only want dumb money. True prediction markets are different since they're don't market makers and just enforce the contracts and there are people on each side. But the whole draft-kings type gambling markets are just awful
tcoff91
3 hours ago
I definitely think that the same restrictions we put on tobacco advertising need to be applied to gambling apps.
triceratops
3 hours ago
I agree with banning online betting.
If you want to add friction, just make sports betting IRL.
Also ban any gambling advertising.
vkou
3 hours ago
It should also not be possible to advertise it, and profits from it should be taxed above and beyond the level of what corporations that don't contribute to social malaise have to pay.
hypersoar
3 hours ago
I would add: ban all advertising of sports betting.
altmanaltman
4 hours ago
I feel that won't really stop the people who have serious problems with this shit, who actually ruin their lives
cj
3 hours ago
(Controversial take) The way I look at it, let's say 20% of users are addicts and who will jump through any hoop they need to in order to gamble. Very difficult to help this group. Banning won't stop them from betting.
The other 80% probably aren't addicts. They're people who like placing a fun $20 now and then. Which is fine. But let's not accidentally turn them into addicts by gamifying every aspect of betting. It shouldn't be so easy. And it shouldn't feel like I'm playing a video game.
And we really don't need push notifications from Kalshi reminding us to place bets every single day. (Not an exaggeration, I'm currently getting daily push notifications)
cimi_
3 hours ago
I think this is a reprehensible industry with no upsides. I'm also against banning it, out of principle - who says I'm right when I say there are no upsides? But:
* any sort of advertising should be banned * it should be regulated so that excluding yourself actually works and is easy to do
Seeing 'official prediction market partner' on the news is something else <barf>
xboxnolifes
3 hours ago
> The way I look at it, let's say 20% of users are addicts and who will jump through any hoop they need to in order to gamble. Very difficult to help this group. Banning won't stop them from betting.
I think this position is fundamentally incorrect. Banning gambling reduces the volume of money in gambling, making it hard to make big bets. You will never stop all gambling, but you can reduce how many people ruin their life with it.
mrguyorama
3 hours ago
The industry makes nearly all it's money from problem gamblers.
Know that these companies internally have models to predict how profitable you will be as a customer, so that they can best nudge those customers who are likely to be profitable.
This model is identical to if you trained a model explicitly to find problem gamblers. They are purposely building systems to find and exploit problem gamblers.
Because that is what the industry does. It finds and milks addicts. It is impossible for a for profit company to exist in this space and not somehow optimize towards finding and exploiting addicts. It's just more profitable. The people who drop a few hundred on a few hands of blackjack once a year cannot sustain an industry.
Extracting all possible wealth from 20% of the significant fraction of the population that plays has enormous negative consequences for all of society.
The only reason you don't ban gambling outright is that it's just too easy and straightforward to run an underground book, so it's a trivial market for organized crime to own. And that isn't good.
So you should have a state run institution that exists entirely to just barely serve the literal addicts, does absolutely nothing with the "income" (preferably just pays it all out, zero sum), and is rather unattractive to people who haven't gambled before. You make betting as boring as possible.
Those push notifications are tuned to trigger someone who might become a problem gambler. They are actively trying to get you addicted.
jambalaya8
3 hours ago
you know how, some bars, you can go on the porch and smoke a cigarette? others allow weed and it is illegal? and some ban smoking entirely (either, both) on the state or local level? sports betting was not SO bad when it was AC, Vegas and OTB... and maybe some shady weird dude whose name you got from some ghetto hustler that maybe had a few dozen clients. What is going on now is just disgusting. The sports is bad enough. People looking at odds for them doing or not something? seriously?
schiffern
4 hours ago
Don't worry, I was assured all the problems are because gambling is illegal, not gambling itself.
osnium123
4 hours ago
Sports betting and other forms of online gambling are bad. A lot of families will lose income due to gambling addiction.
weezing
3 hours ago
They also do due to alcohol, substance abuse and other addictions.
soggybread
3 hours ago
you're right, so why are we creating more ways for people to lose so much money?
Bit of a tangent from your comment but I heard the argument once that, 'well people who are already addicted would find a way to do it illegally, at least doing it this way makes it legal and protects them from people like the mafia' to which I agree but it also makes it easier for people who aren't already addicted to become addicted with how often it's advertised. It's like saying 'well listen, those kids were going to see others smoking cigarettes so instead of getting ripped off buying cigarettes from older kids who would mark it up, we started offering safe cigarettes at the school. They don't have to smoke them but at least when they do they'll be smoking safely.'
annodomini2019
3 hours ago
To a degree I'd argue gambling can be more insidious - it's quite hard to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars being an alcoholic or drug addict, and also quite a bit easier to hide from your family (until your husband or wife sees the credit card/bank statement I suppose).
user
3 hours ago
salah7252
4 hours ago
It's critical for them to keep us hooked onto something, families destroyed be damned.
slopinthebag
3 hours ago
i think we should also ban streaming video services, they're also really bad for society. want to watch sports? go to the stadium. want to watch a movie? go to the theatre.
kingds
4 hours ago
ah but see these are prediction markets, not gambling sites /s