I think the point is making sure people know and actually see the cost of the research. If advocating for animal welfare leads to people being angry at you, be more open and transparent with exactly how animals are being tested at your research facilities. Be so open that PETA doesn't need to expose you cause there's nothing to expose.

> i also wonder why they dont fight for human rights instead of animal rights.

that's like saying "I wonder why you're volunteering at an animal shelter instead of a homeless shelter". a large majority of the population isn't doing either. it's bonkers to criticize the people actually doing something about any injustice in the world. i bet most people working for either cause have done more than you or i will ever do in advancing rights for any species, human or non-human

You've created a false choice between children dying or torturing monkeys. This isn't the trolley problem.

They poisoned pregnant macaque mothers to see what would happen to their babies. Really sick stuff.

That part we can argue about; the upsetting part, if you bothered to actually read the article, is this:

The WaNPRC says the monkey studies have contributed to an understanding how prenatal domoic acid exposure may affect learning and memory: “These findings remain relevant to public health.”

However, there is no clear evidence that the experiments led to changes in public health recommendations.

Animal models do not translate well to humans, something that’s been known for decades. Researchers continue down this path not because it makes sense but because “it’s always been done this way”.

This research has little real value for human medicine. If anything, animal testing might have set back human healthcare. (People have literally died by taking medicine that worked fine on animals yet severely harmed humans).

It's surprising how often the critics of animal rights activism are people lacking empathy and logical thinking.

> maybe peta can offer themselves as human test subjects to study disease and medicine

One of the issues with animal testing is that there's very few transferable results. Animal testing continues because it's the done thing, and "better than nothing". We're getting few public health benefits when we weigh it against the death of the millions of animals killed for science.

> this kind of advocating causes litterally violence to some of these researchers > does peta prefer only big pharma to be able to do research and sell simple medicines for ludicrious prices

Lazy. Make an effort at least, please.

> i also wonder why they dont fight for human rights instead of animal rights

This is the part that makes me confident about your lack of logical thinking, if you were wondering. Why are you on HN instead of fighting for human rights? Are you a Nazi? Why aren't physicists fighting for human rights? I mean sure space is important, and essential, but look into a dead kid's eyes and tell me you want to work on making telescopes better.

> try looking one of those kids in the eyes and tell them

Pretty certain that kids are much more likely to advocate for animal rights than adults are. Show these videos to your kids and ask them.

> a few monkeys suffering (which is still horrible but magnitudes less i can tell u)

What you can tell us seems to be of limited value...

> grow humans and human parts

uhhhh

We need to practice and develop science in a way that also centers humanity and compassion

How you you feel sad about it if you don't care? It sounds like you're not being so honest.

FTA:

>The project ran from 2014 to 2020 and received more than $4.2m in National Institutes of Health (NIH) funding

> The experiments were part of a project that ran for six years until 2020.

Thanks Obama.

Honestly, it's embarrassing how much better this administration has been on animal testing compared to Democratic administrations. They've done a lot to hasten the end of animal testing, including putting pressure on institutions to find alternatives.