Oai-math-revised: a community hub for revising OpenAI's math write-ups

26 pointsposted 7 hours ago
by tokepi

18 Comments

sdenton4

4 hours ago

Feels like we need a new truth-state for mathematics: "Verified-but-Unproven" for results which we know to be true through formal verification, but without any coherent proof.

I would generally expect this state to resolve quickly to "Proven and Verified" (the tendency in mathematics historically has been for complicated first-proofs of results, followed by significant reductions in proof complexity as new tools and definitions become available), but may still be useful for assigning real credit to who/whatever produces reasonable proof for a brute-force-verified result.

bemtevi

6 minutes ago

> I would generally expect this state to resolve quickly to "Proven and Verified" (the tendency in mathematics historically has been for complicated first-proofs of results, followed by significant reductions in proof complexity as new tools and definitions become available),

A bit of an oversimplification, I think. Definitely there are some simplifications, but I wouldn't say really significant to the point where "resolve quickly" follows, along the lines of what you said.

Most complicated math is still nearly as complicated as when it was invented. Simplifications to presentation maybe, and some reduction in the proof difficulty yes, but not to the point of being significant in the way you describe. Any modern result that has been around for 20 years likely hasn't undergone a serious simplification, for example.

vishna

5 hours ago

This is OpenAI’s etc version of getting unpaid internships from phd students

curt15

2 hours ago

The announcement doesn't say that the work will be using openai tools. If anything, the events over the past two months provide strong incentive to boost the capabilities of open-weight, local models.

turzmo

4 hours ago

If mathematicians didn't enjoy digging their own graves with formalization before, perhaps they will enjoy digging their own unmarked, mass graves now?

pixl97

4 hours ago

We should burn the excavators and dig holes with our hands.

1293475

4 hours ago

The authors are all in computational mathematics and AI. This is the soft power version of the OpenAI repo to get people to work for free. Maybe call it OpenOpenAI.

GoWaitInTheVan

2 hours ago

Have we ruled out Trisolarian involvement? IYKYK

lukax

4 hours ago

And now they can train on everything this community does. And with new models this community won't be needed anymore.

nostrebored

4 hours ago

right, and this would be a positive for the world.

clircle

4 hours ago

It might be a positive. It might not be. Better to have some humility about the situation.

greyw

3 hours ago

There are always people left behind by technological changes. Better move forward than cling to the past.

weknowbetter

3 hours ago

Is your implication that progress is always generally positive for the average person?

greyw

2 hours ago

My implication is that being left behind is worse than other choices.

fergonco

3 hours ago

For a world. A world some people will not be part of.

qwr186

4 hours ago

Yes, only Nvidia should exist. r/accelerate nutcase?