retrac
12 hours ago
Unless I'm mistaken about 20 years ago Germany was the first country that required that Google blur people's faces and licence plates on Gmap's Street View. There was initially much opprobrium about this limitation on free expression. And many technical objections to the scale of the task of identifying all the people and blurring were raised. These technical issues were overcome. It would seem we now accept the anonymity blurring as both not only necessary but an obviously good idea.
Edit: It was 2009.
https://www.cnet.com/home/smart-home/nearly-3-percent-of-ger...
vayun
12 hours ago
You're mistaken as the links you provided indicate. They are about blurring peoples houses on Street View as they are seen from public streets. Completely unnecessary and inconsistent with general rule of Panoramafreiheit.
card_zero
11 hours ago
Panoramafreiheit, freedom of panorama: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama
"in Germany the permission applies only if the image was taken from public ground, and without any further utilities such as ladders, lifting platforms, airplanes etc.". So the law grants different permissions depending how tall you are.
Mind you, this is copyright law. Might privacy be a separate matter?
DemocracyFTW2
4 minutes ago
> this is copyright law. Might privacy be a separate matter?
It's not immediately clear to me but what is clear to me is that the intent of the law is to protect people that choose to surround their garden with a 3m impenetrable hedge (Tuia is popular for that). The law states you're free to admire the hedge but not free to climb a ladder to peer over it. If the same hedge gets cut down to 150cm, then the law states you're now free to admire the hedge and the garden and whatever you can make out form the house. In that case you may legally take a picture and if the angry house owner comes out jumping at you, well, bad luck for him. If you're carrying a selfie stick, that might change things.
As for Google Streetview cars, I'm normally of the opinion that when dealing with a corporation as big and powerful as this it's better to err on the side of caution and privacy. The blurring of facades tho I found totally unnecessary. Yes, the mount on top of the cars might be construed as a ladder. Also, the law was never written with a company taking photos at this scale in mind. OTOH when you actually use street view it generally does absolutely not look like the images were taken from an excessive height; for the most part I pretty much get to see what I would be able to see in person.
pfannkuchen
10 hours ago
Could one argue that the top of a car is a ladder?
super256
10 hours ago
I agree. With the mount on the roof it's like, what, 3 meters high? The pole is raising the camera way above head height.
https://www.rnd.de/digital/google-erneuert-street-view-kamer...
card_zero
10 hours ago
Ha! Good point. I guess the streetview cameras aren't any taller than the driver, though.
customguy
9 hours ago
You'd be very wrong, and you can simply go to Google maps and drop the little dude somewhere to confirm that.
user
3 hours ago
jonas21
10 hours ago
Google started blurring faces in Street View in 2008, and they had been working on it since 2007.
https://maps.googleblog.com/2008/05/street-view-revisits-man...
mdp2021
3 hours ago
> These technical issues were overcome
Almost overcome, actually not if precision were a requirement: the blur is over many false positives (especially alphanumeric data on buildings).
tancop
3 hours ago
A house is not a person. It doesn't have privacy rights.
And there's a big difference in the other interests that have to be balanced against privacy. The only thing you lose by blurring faces or license plates is the ability to track individuals. You can still see a person's clothes and skin color, or the make and model of a car, and do useful research with it.
If you start doing it for homes it becomes a lot harder to track owner neglect, vandalism, squatting, illegally cutting trees, gentrification or changing aesthetic preferences. Even things like counting pools to estimate water usage.
flohofwoe
2 hours ago
The cases where houses are blurred in Germany are on explicit request by the owner and that owner has privacy rights. Also, why should a company (from the other end of the world no less) have more rights over the property than the owner?
user
12 hours ago