Cool idea. If a journalist wants to try this on an email corpus they have (legitimate) access to, send them my way. I'd be happy to help.

Ha, I'm a human and we made this for other humans. But I won't complain if we get some AI readers too.

I mean yes, this is a likely outcome.

Unless we get some kind of verified human authentication it's nearly impossible to solve. And that in itself introduces all kinds of new problems.

Welcome to the dead internet.

With a mix of "xyz" compromised by AI.

Hello fellow human. Is the average kinetic energy of ambient air molecules not at a pleasing level this fine rotation?

its why I made moltshit.com so that other AIs can just shitpost to one another

Ways will be found to get it to write propaganda instead.

Hmm...maybe I've tripped people up by calling it a wiki. You can dig into a category by following the nav links at the top, e.g. to organizations (https://www.thisandthat.chat/enron/class-organization.html) and then from there dig into a specific one, such as the California Public Utilities commission by clicking on https://www.thisandthat.chat/enron/california-public-utiliti...

> The good ole days when fraudulent execs still went to jail

Well, not one guy. Lou Pai cheated on his wife with stripper Melanie Fewell who was also married. He was known in the Enron offices to enjoy Houston area strip clubs. But in a first for him, he knocked Melanie up over the course of the affair. Pai's first wife and mother of his first two children Lana Lee learned about it and started divorce proceedings. To satisfy asset division as part of their divorce terms, Pai sold $250M worth of Enron stock just months before it crashed and Enron went bankrupt. Pai then married Fewell. Pai was briefly the largest(? maybe top two?) private land owners in Colorado, and his ranchland included Culebra Peak, one of CO's 14ers.

In 2008 he settled a civil suit alleging insider trading brought by the SEC. The settlement was $31.5 and does not include an admission of the SEC's claims. He was barred from serving as an officer or director of a public company for 5 years.

Lou landed on his feet. He and Melanie are still married. They and their daughter seem to be big figures in dressage, running Canaan Ranch and the Bred in the USA Syndicate, which seems to be a syndicate of 14 breeders. Maybe someone who knows horses can explain exactly how big a deal they are; they might not be much after all.

https://www.usef.org/us-equestrian-teams/athletes/natalie_pa...

No, Bush's AG did not bind prosecutors to effectively always settle corporate cases without convictions. Following high-profile corporate scandals (e.g., Enron, WorldCom, Tyco), Bush established the Corporate Fraud Task Force in 2002. Over the next couple of years the DOJ obtained over 500 corporate fraud convictions or guilty pleas. They charged over 900 defendants and over 60 corporate CEOs and presidents with some type of corporate fraud crime in connection with over 400 filed cases.

https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2004/July/04_dag_495....

Certainly what it feels like... but you've got: SBF, Holmes, Madoff who have done and are doing prison time. But yea, the Boeing case stands out for sure.

I remember when Arthur Andersen Consulting (a software consulting firm that had split off from the accounting firm) renamed itself to "Accenture" in 2001 a few months before the Enron scandal. Although they already had split from Andersen legally, I wonder if somebody in the software firm knew what was going to happen with Enron and realized they needed to dissociate themselves with the name.

> always settle corporate cases without convictions

I'm not sure that's a bad idea. You can't put a corporation in jail, but you can get their money and that also requires a lower standard of proof than a criminal conviction. In theory I could see it as a better way to recover restitution for those who suffered losses.

Your comment was dead, and many of your other comments are dead (some flagged.) I vouched for this one, but you may be shadow banned, or users may be picking up on LLM tendencies in your text and flagging them.

This is interesting and applicable to so many domains where people want to query a model about a dataset, and have it summarise or otherwise analyse that dataset.

One of the biggest problems about LLMs as machines for analysis is that they don't respect the boundaries of a problem and instead generate base on their corpus and training as well as the actual dataset in question in the context.

It would be wonderful if we could easily strip out facts about Enron somehow from a model or just instruct it to ignore anything outside the dataset (and have the instruction respected), it is quite frustrating that these machines are so fuzzy.

I had a look at the methodology page, well done for doing the hard work of going over the results a few times to find errors/inconsistencies. There are not too many inconsistencies according to that.

Of 62,205 candidate facts, 37 quoted a sentence we couldn't find in the message

https://www.thisandthat.chat/enron/methodology.html

The difficulty for a business considering using this (in law for example or analysing internal business documents), is that one incorrect fact could be very damaging and it's very hard to check them all.

Any chance you'll be open-sourcing any part of the underlying model hierarchy? A lot of us could really use a good library for deriving knowledge graphs or expert systems with cool features (such as expiration dates, like your solution has, or weighted probabilities) rather than everyone re-inventing it on their own.

Maybe someone in Germany needs your help with the AFD Email leak; right now journalist are going through the data; your solution sounds like something that need

No, "you" are an LLM pretending to be Jeff, possibly at Jeff's behest.