CodeCompost
11 hours ago
People may be dismissive of Serverfault and the other sites but pretty much all LLMs are trained on them.
abrookewood
10 hours ago
Yes, it's like a lot of other content that no one will bother to maintain anymore because it is easier to ask an LLM. Not sure where they are planning to get their new training data from ...
aitchnyu
4 hours ago
The AI "understood" the concepts enough. It can generate readable code in new syntax like Typst, D2lang etc; refer 80 page documentation scattered across urls (looking at you AWS); clone tools from Github to find undocumented features.
bayindirh
9 hours ago
Stackexchange network has died for me way before LLMs were even a dream.
Passive aggressive commenting and deleting questions because it looked remotely similar to another one was enough for me.
I was there for learning and sharing, not for the proverbial fighting cage.
I can spend 5 minutes more and use a search engine, and then take my own notes and keep them to myself. Thanks.
D13Fd
3 hours ago
The aggressive moderation on StackOverflow was so annoying. I still remember multiple times where I found a question about my exact issue, but it had been closed as a duplicate, and the "duplicate" was basically irrelevant.
apple4ever
2 hours ago
And plenty of times I had an answer to a question but couldn't because I didn't have enough 'karma'. Sorry I'm not going to waste my time gaming the system to answer a question and be helpful.
IshKebab
10 hours ago
People do still talk about programming online, just not on Stackoverflow.
I think since AI finally provided a non-adversarial alternative to Stackoverflow it lost the critical mass to be a one stop shop for all tools/languages/projects. So people just reverted to communication forums specific to those tools/languages/projects.
There are plenty of project mailing lists, GitHub issues, language forums, blog posts etc. that are still active. E.g. just the Rust users forum gets more than 2-3 posts per day.
DaSHacka
10 hours ago
I mean, most frontier labs train on user input by default, seems like a pretty good source of information.
BenoitP
10 hours ago
Average user input quality is not optimal by definition. SO's upvote system and reputation system is what really refined quality. Much like Reddit's system is helping a lot for conversation. Much like academia's publish and citation system is an even better system.
I'm not saying LLM won't be able to train further, but tough and sound reviews are paramount to improving the corpus of quality content. And with the replacement of SO by LLMs, one can wonder if one quality system went down the drain. Anyway there's still code reviews on GitHub and in private repos, but we're still far from getting the human judgement out of the loop.
weinzierl
9 hours ago
"Average user input quality is not optimal by definition."
Absolutely.
"SO's upvote system and reputation system is what really refined quality."
Absolutely not!
SO's problem was exactly that they gave average users moderating power. That lead to half of the questions being closed because they were over the head of the average user/moderator regardless of being interesting and useful questions or not.
orwin
9 hours ago
This issue was mostly on SO itself. For most other stack exchange servers, it worked really well.
apple4ever
2 hours ago
I'm sure there were plenty of people like me who couldn't help because they didn't have the right amount of "karma".
ozim
9 hours ago
I do expect there will be more closed knowledge forums. Unfortunately one person exposing it to LLM provider will be enough to break the whole idea. But I believe there will be many that will keep secrets for some in group.
makapuf
9 hours ago
You can train on questions, but I will rarely answer to a chat with a SO-quality answer.
rich_sasha
7 hours ago
It was great while it was good. The demise wasn’t quality as such, but rather the insane moderation - closing everything as duplicates or out of scope etc.
keybored
10 hours ago
CoSOMO (Content Stolen; Obsoleted, Move On)
abrookewood
10 hours ago
Ouch ... brutal, disheartening, but true.
lostmsu
2 hours ago
You guys tbh are just infuriating. StackOverflow and ServerFault in particular are CC BY-SA. I contributed to a lot of websites which are currently switching from public access to login required. I did it under the assumption that anyone will be able to read it. Thank god Stack Exchange and HN so far are not showing petty resentment.
user
10 hours ago
jstummbillig
10 hours ago
And all the sites trained on humans, something which we never found offense with, for some interesting reason.