My house has smart light switches. They use ancient technologies of injection molding and metal wires. Their firmware has not needed an update and I haven't had to reboot them; they also recover instantly from power failures. I haven't measure their boot time but it's impressive. Probably 1/50 seconds is my guess, based on the AC switching frequency. Their data collection is primitive, and the retention is only a few hundred nanoseconds. They're quite good about not selling data about when I'm home to insurance companies or advertisers. And they use ancient principles of physics to destroy data securely. Their registration and account creation process didn't store my home address in some vendor's questionably secured database, so it can't be sold when these vendors fold in 5-10 years. It doesn't stop working while I'm traveling and never leaves my family without working lights, in fact I've yet to get one tech support call for light switches.

Home Assistant won't read the state of them so they're lacking in integration, but the plus was that caused me to not set up Home Assistant. Not making a fragile computer a single point of failure and not tying my whole house to one shared-fate system with all the failure modes of a small scale full stack SaaS gave me a couple more nines of reliability.

One downside is the commute to the wall if you want to use them. Commuting to a light switch is actually good though, I'm pleased to report it's a nice stroll. It takes around the same time it takes to unlock my phone and discover my phone can't switch on the lights in my house. It goes past a window so it has views.

When I read some vendors' stuff was gonna stop working I went home and turned off and on all my light switches to simulate a reboot in solidarity for those whose hobby is to make their home less usable. Hopefully you folks are able to spend a few hundred bucks more to refresh your stuff for this decade. If you need me, I'll be over at the wall panel.

I was (naively, looking back) pretty bullish on smart home devices. Automating schedules, presence detection, etc. Every time I looked to invest more into it, the marketplace felt like a minefield of e(ventual)-waste and headache.

I still struggle with it. It feels like a missed opportunity these days, but I just don’t trust companies to treat me or my devices with respect. I’ve ultimately boomeranged back to “no (cloud) smart devices.”

I simply won’t install anything that doesn’t support a local API. Happy to pay for the hardware; but if your plan is to monetize it via cloud services somehow, or just assume planned obsolescence, I’m not your customer.

I want appliances that are reliable and last a lifetime, I don't care about smart features. I bought a basic washing machine back in 2005. Roper brand, which is Whirlpool's value-priced line. The cycles are programmed purely mechanically using a cam timer.

Since I've owned it, all I've had to do is replace the clutch which was like a $25 part at the time. Doing it yourself (or having a repair technician take care of it), is easier and more cost-effective than hauling it out and buying a new one.

Cloud enabled features on home appliances had extra complexity and the chance your device will be bricked when the manufacturer decides to discontinue their cloud services.

Imo, the problem with most smart kitchen devices has always been that the added benefit was never big enough to warrant the steep prices.

The June oven had computer vision to detect the food and probes to test for internal temperature and could tell the user when their food was ready.

Maybe nice for a restaurant juggling dozens of dishes in ovens, but at home, I don't need this at all because I can tell when the cheese on top is caramelized.

At $600-1500, that's a high premium for a countertop oven.

Can't we stop using the word smart to describe this kind of stuff?

Recently sold a "Google (Nest) Home Audio" device after it failed to accomplish very basic tasks like "turn on the light". I wanted to get rid of it as soon as possible before it's completely useless. Like, it would succeed about 20% of the time on a good day. That number used to be 80%-90%.

I wonder if I live in an alternate universe because I am only seeing good news about Gemini coming out of Google.

The only device I will connect to my home network, is anything that works with Home Assistant.

Any IoT connected appliance like this should still have the core functionality usable offline. Too bad functionality like this isn't demanded by law and we continue to throwaway otherwise perfectly working hardware.

I'd be open to smart home stuff if it wasn't sending data out to third-parties. Are there any good homebrew setups anyone is using that are local-only (or at least only sending data to a "cloud" I control)?

I quickly realized that the only rational (for me) home automation solution would be 100% cloud free, off the shelf hardware. No overly complicated, security poor Home Assistant, everything is mqtt

You know I have developed a habit of closing any web page that shows a popup asking for subscriptions or newsletter enrollment?

My fingers are faster than tachyons now and it saves me wasting time and brings me back to HN where at least the comments are more entertaining

I would encourage customers to take Weber to small claims court to attempt to get a refund.

https://archive.is/YTIq4

Notes:

  - Hue lights still slap, "just work", and have proved to be reliable over time. They are a big upgrade over non-dimmable, non-temp-changeable bulbs, or buzzing dimmer switches from ages past.

  - Home Assistant's UX is poor

  - I should probably try some of the temp control and security camera tools

"The smart home graveyard", aka Bot Hill

> Weber told me it considered open-sourcing the technology for someone else to keep it alive, but decided against it, citing the fact June’s IP is part of its Weber Connect platform.

Ah, so they can't allow others to support it because they already have a platform where they explicitly chose not to support it. It's like someone saying they considered calling 911 to save a gunshot victim but decided against it since the bullet came from their gun. What a way to try to look like you care about your customers.

99% of smart kitchen appliances end up costing 4 times as much just for the "smartness" which in reality isn't only their weak point, it's also the cheapest part of the whole ensemble. Your washing machine or fridge double in price because the manufacturer slapped on an ESP32 and a vibe coded insecure cloud backend. Even devices that could last decades end up betrayed by the dependency on that super-expensive crap you though is a selling feature.

If you need to, buy cheap IoT, the kind that you can work with locally (HA, HomeKit, etc.) with no internet access, the kind you set and forget and when it stops working you can genuinely treat them as consumables. Don't pay thousands for something that will be quickly dragged down by their marquee feature.

I've started buying Shelly plugs. So far I'm very impressed. They have wifi, including a local AP server you use to set them up and each plug is its own web server. (There's almost certainly some flavor of ESP32 inside.) And there's a physical button on the device you can push to turn them on/off. And they do power measurement. There exists a vendor cloud plus an app but you don't need to use either.

I don't even have Home Assistant; I control them with a 192.168.xxx.xxx address in a browser on my phone.

It's almost too perfect. Let's see how long they last before they cook their internal electronics.

It took me a moment to parse that it's the "smart-home graveyard", not the "smart home-graveyard" that's getting crowded!

Apparently hyphens seem to have gone out of fashion. Please can we bring them back?

Wasn't that the same June oven that, well, was a smart arson machine?

https://www.extremetech.com/internet/296679-smart-ovens-may-...

The AI bubble is reverting the Cloud bubble. Services are getting shut down. No cheap remote computing anymore despite having the most powerful data centers. What are you going to do, make the light bulb to talk with a chatbot?

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