Show HN: Panda, the world's first personal AI computer

8 pointsposted 11 hours ago
by moezee1

48 Comments

singpolyma3

10 hours ago

No specs. No examples of models it can run. No idea if any of the source will be available.

Basically vapourware.

moezee1

8 hours ago

Hi,

We left the specs out because the landing page was made for non-technical consumers who aren't aware of the hardware required in general.

Here are the specs: Processor (SoC): AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395 Memory: 128 GB LPDDR5X-8000 Motherboard: custom Storage: NVMe SSD, 4 TB: WD_Black SN850X 4TB

Rest is basic: ethernet, usb c ports, wifi module, power supply

Inference engine: llama.cpp

Models: A fast default for chat, email and calendar: a 30B-class mixture-of-experts model like Qwen3-30B-A3B. A larger model for harder tasks: gpt-oss-120b. A coding model: Qwen3-Coder-Next.

The late release date is specifically to fine tune the experience for the non technical consumer, someone who wouldn't know what model to switch to for what task. We want this to be a seamless out of the box experience. UI/UX is very important here. Another reason for the late release is the chip cant be bought off the shelf and need AMD to sell us the chip at a certain volume

nacs

29 minutes ago

I'm seeing 128GB DDR5 RAM costing $3500+ just by itself.

How are you going to build an entire system shipped for $3k?

This spec sheet looks more like a dreamed-up spec sheet than pricing reality.

binlog

10 hours ago

Not just vaporware but a scam to collect the $100 deposits and disappear.

December 2027 shipping date is hilarious for an AI hardware product.

tianqi

8 hours ago

No company name. No contacts.

blakeashleyjr

10 hours ago

No way I can put any money down without knowing the specs. Unless I am missing something, I didn't see anything on the homepage.

kadoban

10 hours ago

How did they nail down a price but no specs? Very odd.

They're targetting people who want AI and will spend thousands, but don't know enough to ask _any_ details? Why wouldn't that audience just be on chatgpt?

moezee1

8 hours ago

Hi, posted the specs above

popalchemist

10 hours ago

Probably just vaporware at this moment.

moezee1

8 hours ago

Hi,

We left the specs out because the landing page was made for non-technical consumers who aren't aware of the hardware required in general.

Here are the specs: Processor (SoC): AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395 Memory: 128 GB LPDDR5X-8000 Motherboard: custom Storage: NVMe SSD, 4 TB: WD_Black SN850X 4TB

Rest is basic: ethernet, usb c ports, wifi module, power supply

Inference engine: llama.cpp

Models: A fast default for chat, email and calendar: a 30B-class mixture-of-experts model like Qwen3-30B-A3B. A larger model for harder tasks: gpt-oss-120b. A coding model: Qwen3-Coder-Next.

The late release date is specifically to fine tune the experience for the non technical consumer, someone who wouldn't know what model to switch to for what task. We want this to be a seamless out of the box experience. UI/UX is very important here. Another reason for the late release is the chip cant be bought off the shelf and need AMD to sell us the chip at a certain volume

furyofantares

10 hours ago

The chat UI is duplicating the chatgpt/claude web chats, where you've got a list of chats on the left and each new thing you wanna do is expected to be a new chat, and maybe it has memories it writes to or can search chats to cross reference.

I've been using these things a bit differently lately, more of a personal assistant - probably more of the OpenClaw setup I'd guess, though I haven't used OpenClaw. I have my macbook running constantly and it has a session running for reach of my projects, plus one session called pa (personal assistant) which is set up to track tasks and to talk to all the other sessions.

The pa is the only session I directly interact with anymore. It's got it's own Signal account and a single Signal chat is the way I interact with all my sessions. Actually, there are a few sessions run on other machines too that it knows how to get to, but mostly it's just the per-project sessions on my macbook.

I think that's how I'm gonna want stuff like this to work - mostly in one single text thread that delegates to the others. The others don't have to be totally invisible, being able to drop into them individually would be fine as long as it doesn't interfere with the simplicity of the main thread.

NegativeLatency

10 hours ago

How do you manage context?

Not a gotcha, just trying to understand how your setup works

furyofantares

9 hours ago

So the PA itself isn't really a problem, it mostly just delegates to other sessions and if it has personal assistant-type work to do, it uses subagents. The per-project sessions are also meant to use subagents liberally.

But the actual answer is just one session per project and auto-compacting. Actually I run into usage limits on both codex and claude max subscriptions and so there is also a fair bit of it having to do codex/claude handoffs which is like a worse auto-compact.

I am quite sure I get worse results at a higher cost than I do for my actual day job, where I'm taking ownership of code, getting the actual code I want, and therefore doing a lot more manual context management.

But for side projects and other personal computer usage it's all vibing and auto-compacting.

moezee1

8 hours ago

Hi,

We left the specs out because the landing page was made for non-technical consumers who aren't aware of the hardware required in general.

Here are the specs: Processor (SoC): AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395 Memory: 128 GB LPDDR5X-8000 Motherboard: custom Storage: NVMe SSD, 4 TB: WD_Black SN850X 4TB

Rest is basic: ethernet, usb c ports, wifi module, power supply

Inference engine: llama.cpp

Models: A fast default for chat, email and calendar: a 30B-class mixture-of-experts model like Qwen3-30B-A3B. A larger model for harder tasks: gpt-oss-120b. A coding model: Qwen3-Coder-Next.

The late release date is specifically to fine tune the experience for the non technical consumer, someone who wouldn't know what model to switch to for what task. We want this to be a seamless out of the box experience. UI/UX is very important here. Another reason for the late release is the chip cant be bought off the shelf and need AMD to sell us the chip at a certain volume

youniverse

10 hours ago

This has to be a scam for normies to forget about the deposit they made by ship time.

moezee1

8 hours ago

definitely not a scam, we're using feedback on this thread to change the landing page and add more details

postatic

10 hours ago

Shipping Dec 2027... I don't know about you, but at the rate of current pace, I don't know what to expect at the end of 2027.

dumbmrblah

10 hours ago

Exactly especially without any hardware specs. This thing could be outdated in early 2027 let alone December.

moezee1

8 hours ago

Dropped the specs in a standalone comment

verdverm

8 hours ago

you don't need to keep replying to everyone with the same comment

there are no notifications for HN and we can all see the multiple long blocks of texts with the same specs existing options provide

davrosthedalek

10 hours ago

Really needs some details on what hardware is in there / what models it can run.

ivanmontillam

10 hours ago

Yeah, I'd rather revamp a Steam machine, for which we know exact specs even pre-launch.

moezee1

8 hours ago

Posted the specs as a standalone comment

RohanAdwankar

10 hours ago

What justifies the claim of being "the world's first personal AI computer"? There are many computers catering to local AI on the market.

skyberrys

10 hours ago

Interesting, I've thought of setting up something like this. I would agree with the other comments I want to know more about what is inside the box. Also waiting 12 months for them to start shipping sounds like a long lead time. Is it still a personal computer without a screen and an operating system? How many watts is the Panda?

moezee1

8 hours ago

Just saw your youtube channel, would love to connect (x.com/officialmoezee)

It will have an internal operating system, that can be accessed in debug mode by more technical users, we believe in the right to repair, overclock etc.

170 W

mcoliver

9 hours ago

I love the idea of this. But things are moving too fast and $20 / month to have a frontier model is something a $3000 non upgradeable black box running an open source model can't compete with.

moezee1

8 hours ago

this is true, but the average consumer is not as concerned about the difference between frontier and where open models are today. We believe that as things move forward open source models are going to become a lot more efficient. The panda is also not limited to one person, a whole household can use panda

ddxv

11 hours ago

Pretty cool idea. I'd love to see more about who the team is and how the open source models underneath it work and if they can be swapped out.

keyle

10 hours ago

hm so it can be reached from anywhere outside, which is scary. It appears to have a speaker or open vent on top but no audio/voice/tts/stt capability?

If I had a device "all AI" for home, stt/tts would be my minimum requirement. Being able to reach it from outside, that's a negative mark for me.

moezee1

8 hours ago

You can only reach it from outside if you choose to set it up that way, by default it's local only.

No speaker, vent.

fcarraldo

10 hours ago

I want this to be a thing, but a $3000 non-upgradable box is not the way we’re going to get there.

josh-wrale

10 hours ago

Is this a Magic Jack class thing?

OutOfHere

5 hours ago

It's not the first if it doesn't ship now.

FuriouslyAdrift

10 hours ago

nVidia DGX and AMD Strix Point have been out for months already...

moezee1

8 hours ago

Yes but they don't have an out of the box experience for consumers, they're still mostly used by technical folks

verdverm

8 hours ago

moezee1

8 hours ago

This is what I mean, the non-technical consumer doesn't understand any of that, their understanding of AI stops at ChatGPT, Claude and Gemini.

Some of them might've heard of open claw when it went viral but they definitely don't know what it is or how it works

verdverm

8 hours ago

normies are (were) using openclaw, it's definitely non-technical consumer viable

drivingmenuts

10 hours ago

How much control over the AI does the end user have? Can I direct the AI in any way I choose (ie., tell it do "evil" of some sort)?

moezee1

8 hours ago

You have the control that you have over any open source model

midnitewarrior

10 hours ago

This looks like it could be very useful for about 3 months. If you're lucky those 3 months will occur after it launches.

Zaraif13

10 hours ago

Pretty cool! Which models are you running locally? Can users pick/change between models?

moezee1

8 hours ago

right now it's qwen, gpt-oss and ollama

Yup users will be able to switch models

dprimemuhammad

5 hours ago

Can we see the specs, or if there are other variants?

verdverm

8 hours ago

shipping next year with prices from last year, good luck delivering on that price point

ViscountPenguin

10 hours ago

Stop the environmental damage of data centres by... Making extra hardware and moving inference to a less efficient area? This only makes sense if you're on off-grid solar.