arionhardison
5 days ago
I lived in DTLA for several years and regularly used Little Tokyo/Arts District station. It was not uncommon during peak hours to see people - myself included sliding down the railing.
I am 43 years old now and was much younger then (27-35) but I remember these days fondly. Now I live in NYC where public transit it so much better that this and many other issues that plague LA (especially the redline) do not exist but I do miss those days and look back on them fondly.
I still have at least 1 scar I can attribute to trying this whilst wearing the wrong pants (in terms of fabric).
raegis
5 days ago
> I lived in DTLA for several years and regularly used Little Tokyo/Arts District station. It was not uncommon during peak hours to see people - myself included sliding down the railing.
The Little Tokyo stop had no stairs or escalators before 2023, since it was at grade then. Do you mean a different stop?
Also, the busiest stations with huge escalator length, like Union Station or Wilshire/Vermont, have so much open space that escalators are rarely a bottleneck in my experience. 7th St/Metro station is crazy crowded, but the escalators are short and people usually give you room to run down the escalator.
The only station I worry about for future congestion is the Grand Ave station, which has no escalators, but is so deep that you have to take an elevator since walking stairs is not reasonable except for emergencies.
arionhardison
5 days ago
TY, you are correct; it was Civic Center/Grand Park: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_Center/Grand_Park_statio...
Thank you, I got to do down memory lane checking this.
arionhardison
5 days ago
It was not just this one, but the one before it from the street into the station that is IIRC at even more of an incline given that its on that hill.
arionhardison
5 days ago
Yep, you are correct. I am just now realizing that maybe this is why there was such a culture around it. Lil Tokyo was closest to this spot and we regularly would grab things from Sakura Market for each other, talk random shit etc... one day this guy was scared/sad about a girl he really liked and we convinced him to approach her and so we played Lupe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuYwE-gAn0) on the whole ride - much to the annoyance of the other passengers.
There was also a respect that I cant forget; almost like it was a rhythm. Never a rush to beat someone else to the train. I remember that for a time due to our schedules we would meet at the top, smoke a J and chat for as long as we could then slide down and catch the redline (now called the B Line*) and part ways.
Note: He got the girl. we all lost contact - hope he/they are dong well.
\Note: I wonder if the redline was renamed because of the level of violence or if it was because of the purple line expansion.
selectodude
5 days ago
There aren’t many primary and secondary colors. If you plan to have a more comprehensive system you’ll run out pretty quick. Chicago comes to mind. The newest one is pink and I’m not sure what they’d do if they built a new one.
arionhardison
5 days ago
Also, could have been that most people wanted to avoid pershing square.
TylerE
5 days ago
Unfortunately NY transit sucks if you're disabled and can't deal with stairs.
arionhardison
5 days ago
I didn't know this but given the multiple: "This is an accessible station" alerts it makes sense. Hopefully this is something that can change soon.
jcranmer
5 days ago
The current plan aims to have the subway system 95% accessible by 2055.
<https://www.mta.info/project/station-accessibility-upgrades>
(Of the old US subway systems, MTA seems to be the most lackadaisical in actually making their system accessible.)
pj_mukh
5 days ago
I love the ridiculous year end-dates on American infrastructure projects.
"Your grandkids might some day dream of having accessible subway stations" is such a civilizational failure that we've just silently accepted.
Aurornis
5 days ago
> "Your grandkids might some day dream of having accessible subway stations" is such a civilizational failure that we've just silently accepted
I agree that the timelines are a real problem, but that's for the long tail. The major transfer stations are mostly there today and the remaining few are on track to get there in the next few years.
NYC has a lot of stations. There are some that basically cannot be made fully compliant with the full spectrum of ADA accessibility requirements, which are actually on the more comprehensive side of the spectrum compared to other countries.
Some of it makes more sense when you see it. There's a station built underneath the pillars of a bridge. Right now they're trying to figure out how to add a second entrance and exit as a first step, but as you can imagine operating on a station under a bridge is hard. It's also the only station in the neighborhood, so you can't just shut it down for a year. Getting it to the point of having full elevator/escalator and other ADA compliant requirements for new construction is basically out of the question without having the most out of control construction project you've seen.
So the long tail of stations are going to take a very long time to get updated, if ever.
mplanchard
5 days ago
NYC has a lot of money, but this is a huge project, involving continuous disruption to a system that must continue carrying 6 million people per day throughout its completion. The NYC subway has more stations than any other metro system on earth, with 424 stations, of which 133 are already accessible. Hitting 95% by 2055 means around 10/year on average for the next 29 years. While it could always be better, for a system that is over 120 years old, this seems not too terrible to me.
Also, not every subway station is equal. Some see significantly higher ridership than others, or are more critical transfer points, and so can be prioritized to have more impact sooner. It seems like that is what they’re doing.
lesuorac
4 days ago
It’s not as bad as you think.
The dutch became a bicycle paradise with the same strategy. They just started a couple generations ago.
The problem is only when you set a goal of say 2035 but don’t plan to do anything until 2033. Then it’s clear the plan is to give up in 2031.
bombcar
5 days ago
Hey, at least the USA has curb cuts
froh
5 days ago
I remember I extensively used Berlin public transport nearly 30y ago and was annoyed how you couldn't use it with a stroller because of the lack of "accessibility"
I then realized "accessibility" translates straight to: mobility with little children. which affects many many additional people, but it's rarely in the public discourse anywhere.
in Paris in 2019 I then saw parents with tiny light-weight sit-on micro scooters, as a creative work-around to the parental public mobility challenge.
but 2055? ooof.
mplanchard
5 days ago
The MTA also has far more stations than any other US system, indeed more than any other metro system on Earth.
The NYC subway has 424 stations. The next highest in the US is the L in Chicago, with 146, followed by DC, with 98.
Seems natural it would take longer, though that is scant comfort to the people who need them. NYC has 133 accessible stations, which is 91% of the L’s total station count.
froh
5 days ago
it takes longer because they started later.
mobilitY for parents with little children or people in wheelchairs was "not a priority"
it's not that NYC subway was a novelty isn't it?
user
4 days ago
reverius42
4 days ago
It's accessibility that's the novelty, if we're comparing the timelines of say the MTA vs. the ADA.
lokar
5 days ago
A bunch of the congestion fee $ is going towards more elevators (and maintenance).
sylas4
5 days ago
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tough
5 days ago
edit: nevermind. commenter clarified and prior comment indeed does look AI gen. probs auto-flagged as they said.
TitaRusell
4 days ago
In the Netherlands neither the escalator nor the elevator will work.
ThePowerOfFuet
5 days ago
Paris, too.
rayiner
5 days ago
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tombert
5 days ago
"Uncivilized"? People are in a hurry. The escalator moves slow. It seems civilized enough to me.
rayiner
5 days ago
Breaking routine because you’re in a hurry is definitionally uncivilized. It’s archetypal third world behavior.
tombert
5 days ago
Sorry, which "definition" are you pulling this from?
saagarjha
5 days ago
America is the country of breaking routine.
rayiner
4 days ago
Not in public behavior. The oldest, best parts of America are like England in that regard, with a high level of public decorum.
saagarjha
4 days ago
I feel that you just need to accept the fact that you have no idea what America is. There are 300 million people who live here but you act like you're a tourist who landed in Las Vegas and thinks that the whole country is apparently really obsessed with slot machines and topless bars. I can't really change what you prefer but I assure you that there are plenty of us here who do not care for your circles where apparently everyone curtsies at each other.
mindslight
5 days ago
Don't mistake a lack of vibrancy for civilization.
And physician, heal thyself! It's a bit rich to bemoan "archetypal third world behavior" while applying your own third world sense of order, don't you think?
cucumber3732842
5 days ago
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