calmbonsai
6 hours ago
No, they’re really not.
Turns out, sail-power scales sublinearly and, shocker, the wind isn’t a reliable source of power for the logistics demands of today’s supply chains.
We’re never going back to wind, but we will be de-carbonizing shipping either with ammonia combustion, fuel cells, or both.
rob74
4 hours ago
If you had bothered to at least skim TFA, this is addressed in the third paragraph:
> The idea is not to turn modern cargo ships back into sailing vessels. Instead, these systems are designed to work alongside conventional engines, using the wind to reduce fuel consumption whenever conditions allow.
askvictor
31 minutes ago
News articles to this effect have been popping up occasionally for the past 20 years at least. So the economics don't seem to stack up. At least not yet; but if oil gets a bit dearer...
TeMPOraL
an hour ago
I think news publishing has recurring schedule for topics for filler articles, and this is just the regularly scheduled appearance of Flettner rotors.
I saw the headline, and immediately knew what it is. Always the same: headline implying sail power is back, body correcting that it's about minor fuel savings, and that some shipping companies are planning to install rotors on their fleet.
cucumber3732842
40 minutes ago
Somewhere in a cube farm that hasn't been updated since the 90s:
"This month's analytics report indicates our college educated white collar employed left leaning traffic to our properties is down over the same month last year"
<puffs vape>
"Don't worry about it, I'm having AI re-write all the green tech articles from 2005-15, it'll be back by November"
CorvusCrypto
4 hours ago
Agree that it's not going to be a binary shift. The tech does look promising for at least rotor sails, but that's an improvement which also demands use of traditional powerplants to drive the rotors ofc. Still worth investigating imo considering the shipping industry is the area of the world that still contributes highest to carbon output and is sort of an "untouchable" industry due to criticality. If cheap enough this could help while we wait for e.g. "greener" fuel or other things to develop. But yeah, to underscore further, not like shipping will look like my sailing yacht any time soon.
gehsty
4 hours ago
I think it’s clear that they are not turning back to use them exclusively, but clearly are ‘turning back’ in an additive way.
Eg putting these things on ammonia powered vessel will reduce the amount of fuel needed, which is probably a net benefit.
nradov
6 hours ago
Longer term I think we'll also use synthetic liquid hydrocarbon fuels manufactured through the Fischer–Tropsch process. People have proposed bringing back nuclear powered merchant ships but that's a non-starter for cost and security reasons. We can keep the nuclear plants safely on land and use them to make carbon-neutral fuel.
mschuster91
4 hours ago
That is insanely inefficient however. It only makes sense for transoceanic air travel, probably supplanted by synthfuel from biomass, but in the long term we will see ships powered by batteries. Far far more efficient.
vintermann
4 hours ago
We're not going "back" to wind, but there are vessels with modern sails already deployed to save a couple of % fuel costs. There were 9 in 2020 and are 64 now, according to Sintef. Of course kinks are still getting ironed out, but it seems likely it will continue to grow.
defrost
3 hours ago
And yet:
Klaveness Combination Carriers (KCC) has launched a brand-new vessel that aims to use wind technology that the company believes will not just reduce emissions, but also improve fuel efficiency on its voyages between China and Australia.
Equipped with the first wind-assisted propulsion system in KCC’s fleet and a range of advanced energy efficiency technologies, MV Baltazar was officially launched at Fremantle Port this week
.. According to the company, due to the ship’s trading area, size and advanced energy efficiency measures including suction sails, MV Baltazar has the lowest carbon footprint of any vessel in these trades.
~ (September 16, 2026) https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/high-s...> de-carbonizing shipping either with ammonia combustion, fuel cells, or both.
Or methanol:
Methanol is emerging as one of the most practical low-greenhouse gas (GHG) fuels for deep-sea shipping.
* https://methanol.org/what-fuels-shipping* https://www.dnv.com/maritime/publications/methanol-fuel-in-s...
* https://www.lr.org/en/knowledge/research/fuel-for-thought/me...
GJim
3 hours ago
> methanol
Currently made from crude oil in a CO2 emitting process from a finite fossil fuel resource.
And yes, whilst methanol can be distilled from wood/crops (a more expensive process), this simply cannot scale, especially if humanity wishes to eat...... You do realise a large container ship is 1/4 mile long and carries north of 18,000 TEU containers; that's 9000 lorries worth. They are big.
defrost
an hour ago
> Currently made from crude oil ..
Much of it is, just like ammonia (see comment I responded to) but green methanol ships have been trialled using output from pilot green hydrogen plants.
> You do realise a large container ship is 1/4 mile long
People still use miles? Wow. I'm more familiar with the shipping of a billion tonne of iron ore per annum from the NW Australian coastline in bulk carrier ships but please, do blather on in that condescending tone.
GJim
4 minutes ago
> green hydrogen plants.
Splitting fresh water (salt water is a non-starter) for hydrogen is a rather energy inefficient and expensive process.
> People still use miles?
In maritime world, yes we do; nautical and statute.
> do blather on in that condescending tone.
I do appear to have touched a nerve old sport.
rendaw
5 hours ago
Couldn't they use sails plus that? Are these companies advocating for just sails, or sails plus other stuff?
Razengan
5 hours ago
How about the equivalent of an space elevator turned 90°:
Can we built giant conveyer belts across the ocean?
robbomacrae
4 hours ago
Ships are ~5x more efficient than trains so unlikely a good trade off. It would have to be a maglev to beat shipping.
forcedtolinux
5 hours ago
transpacific zipline (don't tell musk he might start a company)
internet_points
4 hours ago
s/start/buy
ftfy
usrusr
3 hours ago
Get rich quick scheme with the catch that you'll have to deal with Musk?
Guess I'll pass
pholypilz
2 hours ago
Aren't the wind turbines & solar parks fucking up our landscapes ugly enough you dolt?