Aren’t most tech companies subject to WARN act requirements of a 60-day notice period before layoffs? As I understand it, you’re technically employed during the period between the termination notice and official end of employment, even though you’re not working.

That’s the whole point. Make people not want to come here.

Poorly. How fucked up it was that we expected people to be on a plane out of the country the day they were fired was a recurring discussion. In practice no one actually did and there was a de facto grace period, but what people got away with was wildly inconsistent and how long you could spend in the country after getting fired was effectively random. Codifying the grace period made the whole process much more humane and predictable with no downside.

Looked at another way, the lack of grace period was indeed a problem back then, and that's why the Obama government proposed and finalized a rule to solve that problem. And now the Trump government proposes to reimpose the problem.

What did people do before the grace period was implemented in January 17, 2017? There was no grace period under Clinton, Bush, and Obama (except for the last three days)

Now worse than that, practically one might be up for this admin's ice to grab at the moment of their termination, or the update of that termination into USCIS's system, as the status is lost, unless they immediately book a plane ticket for today or tomorrow.

60-day period is incredibly short to sort out one's belongings (and dependents) but it at least promises a way to let you leave legally, with some dignity. This proposal of elimination just reads like a plan to render people illegal and hunt them down.

Startup idea..

fired and on an h1b? Gotta take an emergency plane outta here on short notice?

Mail us your car and apartment keys and we'll liquidate your assets for you and wire the funds to you

We are seeking 1M$ for 10% of the company

the real practicality here is that the OP is a request for comments.

definitely a request to fulfill.

This problem left as an exercise for the taxpayer. /s

The number of medical school spots is effectively capped by regulation, so there will be zero problems filling those slots.

We have to integrate millions of immigrants and their children from Latin America who have come to the US over the last decade. They’re going to want to have upward mobility for their children. The kids of the fruit pickers are going to want to become doctors and professionals just as with prior waves of low skill immigration. It makes no sense to import new skilled workers, especially as many of those jobs are going to be automated away.

No, they sent a message that business must buy their foreign works on both sides of the table.

> AAMC reports 20% of doctors and med students are foreign born and educated

This is by design: https://www.newsweek.com/there-are-limited-spots-doctors-med...

(And 20% is barely above the overall US foreign born population, which is at 15%: https://www.statista.com/chart/8083/immigrants-foreign-born-...)

It probably set off a flamewar (or potential thereof) detector

Related, from a few hours ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49697171

“New $100k H-1B visa fee pushes tech jobs offshore” (ieee.org)

Other than AOS issues (i.e. if AOS takes too long and your H1B expires, you have to stop working and probably leave to avoid becoming illegal, but leaving might have implication on the new visa's application) or whether H1B->O1 can do AOS at all, O1 also has travel restriction for some reason, the visa sticker (not the status) is a single entry. Want to visit family or go elsewhere for tourism? You are stuck outside of US until you apply for another travel visa. Sounds like it has no dignity to me.

The proposed rule will apply to E-1, E-2, E-3, H-1B, H-1B1, L-1, O-1, and TN (copied directly out of the document).

"A specialty occupation is one that requires the application of a body of highly specialized knowledge and the attainment of at least a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent. The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States."

This was the point of the visa. Now tell me how many people under H1B fall into that category.

you are downvoted but HN is trumpists and "moderates" who like to think they so smart with their fancy moderations

No, this is what happens when you abuse a visa and create a stealth takeover of an industry.

I agree and even though I am pro immigration, I do think the H1B program has been exploited by the employers to the hilt

I'll bite. The problem is when you lose the visa and no grace period rule is in place, you are now an illegal immigrant instantly. The category now up for grab for ICE's concentration camp, at least theoretically, including all of your dependents because their visa is voided as well. How practical is it to get a plane ticket for today/tomorrow the moment you are laid off? Do people who get laid off also gets a teleportation machine?

It's insane to expect people to move to a different country with zero days notice.

> The point of H1B is that the talent is so rare and valuable that it can’t be found domestically. If you get fired or laid off, hate to say it but you weren’t valuable enough to keep around.

Since H1B visa holders possess valuable business skills that can’t be found domestically it makes sense to recruit them when they become available

Layoffs often have nothing to do with specific individuals, so your last assertion is false.

lmao. pretty soon you won't be valuable enough to keep around.