nuccy
6 hours ago
The title (likely intentionally) is misleading, it should say "travelling faster than light in a medium". Nothing here travels faster than light in vacuum.
BTW there are special types of telescopes used to observe gamma rays - they cannot see gamma ray directly but observe a flash of Cherenkov light of a cascade of charged particles created when gamma ray hits atoms in the atmosphere. Those telescopes are Imaging Atmospheric Cherenkov Telescopes [1].
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAGIC_(telescope) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VERITAS or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Energy_Stereoscopic_Syste... or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_Telescope_Array_Obse...
Betelbuddy
5 hours ago
>> The title (likely intentionally) is misleading,
That is because that is not the title...the title is: "What is Cherenkov Radiation?"
mmmattt
5 hours ago
He obviously meant the title of the HN post? Why not straight up say that the article title is different and avoid the passive aggressiveness.
Betelbuddy
5 hours ago
I did not meant it in that way...and I would bet, most did not interpret it as such...the passive aggressiveness is coming from you.
I meant it that the poster, changed the original title, what is a kind of editorializing. I thought of calling on the mods to edit it back, but judged that would be a kind of... semi-passive aggressiveness.
jefftk
4 hours ago
I don't think there's anything 'passive' about specifically asking for what you think should be done!
pasquinelli
3 hours ago
> the passive aggressiveness is coming from you.
could you explain this? the comment you're replying to, how is it passive-aggressive? seems more regular-aggressive to me.
JosephRedfern
4 hours ago
It came of kinda passive aggressive to me, to be honest!
simonebrunozzi
3 hours ago
Your comment is a good reminder of why I love the HN community so much. Having acccess to knowledge in specific domains, like in this case, is truly a gem.
And thanks!
aftbit
27 minutes ago
-1 for Pedantic, but +1 for cool links to telescopes
Sharlin
2 hours ago
Maybe the coolest (heh) application of Cherenkov radiation is neutrino telescopes like IceCube, detecting tiny flashes of light in cubic kilometers of ultra-clear Antarctic ice, caused by vanishingly rare interactions between neutrinos and ordinary matter – and to exclude non-neutrino interactions, they look down, using the entire Earth as a shield guaranteed to stop anything that’s not a neutrino!
smueller1234
3 hours ago
Cherenkov radiation is also a key mechanism behind ultra high energy cosmic ray (UHECR) detectors. UHECR are understood to be nuclei, not gamma rays. For ground based detectors, light tight water tanks are fitted with photo multipliers to capture the flash of cherenkov light even secondary particles pass through the water.
Additionally, they can use telescopes pointed at the atmosphere, using the atmosphere as a calorimeter, basically. The primary signal those telescopes look for is fluorescence, but when the direction of travel points at the telescope, cherenkov light far outstrips it in brightness, so it has to be included in the event reconstruction.
Most prominent contemporary example is the Pierre Auger Observatory https://auger.org
a022311
an hour ago
It's funny because I was reading about Cherenkov radiation just yesterday and the same statement was made (although with a proper clarification afterwards).
pmontra
3 hours ago
Yeah, but what is a medium? Every material is basically empty space with an atom here and there. So there is not a hard boundary for a particle to instantaneously slow down from speed of light in the air to speed of light in water. Some of them will travel a bit deep before hitting their first H or O or electron, or some salt ion. Anyway, it won't travel faster than c.
molyss
3 hours ago
I don't think the title is that misleading.
We talk about the sonic boom as something that happens when we travel faster than the speed of sound. We don’t specify “in the same medium you’re traveling in”, and noone reasonable thinks “it’s really hard to travel faster than the sound in carbon”.
You’ve added “speed of light” in your reading and concluded that’s what the OP wanted to imply.
I think that was unfair, and distracted from the rest of your comment.
I, for one, didn’t know what the cherenkov radiation is, and when reading the title thought “oh, so it’s a sonic boom for light? That’s so cool!”
04rob
2 hours ago
One difference is sound can only travel through a medium, so that bit is always implied. Not so with light.
chucksmash
2 hours ago
Nothing can travel faster than light through vacuum, so that bit is implied as well.
I disagree with their quibble about the title being intentionally misleading but, meh, I've picked stranger technically correct hills to die on, the rest of their comment is interesting, it's fine.
aceazzameen
9 minutes ago
Arguably there's a lot of people who don't know nothing is faster than light in a vacuum.
Because of science fiction, and lack of education in much of the world (looking at you USA), the title can easily make certain people think we discovered new science that allows us to travel faster than light. Especially for folks who only look at headlines.
The whole thing is a silly quibble. But sensationalized headlines get better engagement, which we can all see here.
deadlast2
4 hours ago
Why do you believe that like if you are measuring it maybe you are doing it wrong. Seems to me that we need this light fastest X to hold up a load of physics even when there has been recently numerous experiments which challenge this premise.
tekla
3 hours ago
>numerous experiments which challenge this premise.
Citation needed