smokel
a day ago
The number of weekly downloads has simply been increasing over time, due to growing popularity. Calling each new high "record-breaking" is a bit meaningless.
Unix timestamp counter breaks record after writing this comment.
jrflo
a day ago
It's the tried and true headline method of "event 2 happened after event 1", implying a causal effect between the two, despite no evidence of such effect existing. Technically the headline is correct, in the same way that "Canada Tariffs $20b in US Goods After Amazon Plane Crash" is also correct.
r_lee
a day ago
"it's our most powerful X ever" - every Apple event ever
Operyl
a day ago
God, I'm hoping that this phraseology changes with the new CEO, I am so tired of that overused statement haha.
WesolyKubeczek
a day ago
Didn’t Steve Jobs use that formula as well? The most powerful thing we released compared to last year’s thing we released?
reactordev
a day ago
He loved the term “revolutionary”
Operyl
a day ago
A woman can dream!
gadrev
a day ago
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
chacha102
a day ago
The only reason I know this is the West Wing. I guess some TV applies in the real world too...
phyzix5761
a day ago
David Hume would argue that the causal effect is never seen between 2 events so what's the difference?
mossTechnician
a day ago
There has to be a much stronger correlation between good press for a software release and the subsequent downloads of it, even if a certain number of downloads were inevitable.
hbn
a day ago
LibreOffice breaks download records after Trump renames Lake Ontario to Lake America
onraglanroad
a day ago
Did that actually happen as something that appears on maps or did it just get ignored as senile rambling?
arwineap
a day ago
It actually happened. The US GNIS system was updated, and thus the apple maps and google maps have updated their maps to reflect
Other map providers will have to make a decision, but these sorts of things have historically been fraught with politics, I think most maps will go with whatever the official source they use has declared
reaperducer
a day ago
Did that actually happen as something that appears on maps or did it just get ignored as senile rambling?
Both Google Maps and Apple Maps changed it for users in the United States.
MapQuest publicly refused, causing literally dozens of people to ask, "MapQuest is still a thing?"
bdangubic
a day ago
you joke but number of mapquest downloads jumped 400% (from 1 to 5 weekly downloads)
altmanaltman
a day ago
David Hume reads the news
figassis
a day ago
It is actually no correct. A record by definition is an unsurpassed accomplishment or statistic. It needs to be an accomplishment before it can be called a record. The passage of time does not qualify as a record. Also, a statistical certainty cannot be called a record.
rc5150
a day ago
The year 2025 progressed to 2026. Never in the history of the Gregorian calendar have we EVER made it to 2026. That is an accomplishment. That is a record.
mcv
a day ago
We do consider the oldest person alive and the oldest recorded person ever, to be records of a sort. So if that counts, why wouldn't a personal best count?
I certainly celebrate mine every time.
onraglanroad
a day ago
It's not an accomplishment. It's obviously been recorded and is therefore a record.
figassis
a day ago
There is a semantic difference between capturing data (recording) and putting somethng on record (capturing/recording an achievement). One is the process of documenting and the other is the documented result that acts as a benchmark.
When you record an achievement, there is no need to record another one until you surpass it. You can record attempts, but they are now just data that makes the actual record more meaningful the longer it exists without being surpassed.
MoonWalk
a day ago
But still nice to hear. Really timely, too, since my 83-year-old mom called me the other day to help her E-mail a document she prepared in LibreOffice. I installed it on her (seldom-used) computer years ago. So I talked her through E-mailing it with Thunderbird.
And I say "talked," because the jagoffs at Microsoft REMOVED Remote Assistance from every version of Windows used by people who are likely to need it. And MS Office is trash; the more people abandon it the better.
If I can get my mom on Linux... hey now!
deepsun
a day ago
What's the issue of getting her on Linux? I bet she wouldn't see a difference, especially if its GUI is similar to Windows, like Linux Mint.
account42
14 hours ago
If she's anything like my mom, i.e. someone who has been using computers for a while now but never had the confidence to experiment with it, any small change will freak her out and there really is a long tail of those. It's not a matter of Linux not being good enough, being different is already a real problem.
john_strinlai
a day ago
>because the jagoffs at Microsoft REMOVED Remote Assistance from every version of Windows used by people who are likely to need it.
when did they remove quick assist? i thought i used it recently (within a month or two), but maybe im misremembering. a quick google still shows it as available for home installs.
JaumeGreen
a day ago
I use Google remote desktop with my mother. It's not perfect but it's adequate.
hoooooooooome
a day ago
To continue further down the IT family support software, I use DWService because it seems like it's almost impossible for my sweet friends and relatives to accidentally break it. It's like a cockroach once it's in there and i've been very thankful for that
tosti
18 hours ago
RustDesk can be self-hosted.
LordDragonfang
a day ago
>And I say "talked," because the jagoffs at Microsoft REMOVED Remote Assistance from every version of Windows used by people who are likely to need it.
But also, you'll notice that giant banner on the linked page. It's because the people "most likely to need it" are also those most likely to fall victim to the increasing number of remote assistance scams.
robrain
a day ago
From Libre’s announcement (linked in the article):
“This is the highest number of downloads in the first week of any LibreOffice release!”
tempfile
a day ago
I don't understand this comment. You don't seem to be disagreeing with OP?
robrain
a day ago
There is a specific record being claimed.
They're not just saying the absolute downloads are going up, as the OP suggests.
ksymph
a day ago
Their point was more that, if every 'weekly download count after a new release' (or whatever record) is consistently being broken on each new release due to generally increasing popularity, then it doesn't make sense to imply causality between the messaging around this particular release and its already-expected record-breaking status.
Timon3
a day ago
And that's the case? Weekly download numbers have been consistently trending upwards?
tux3
a day ago
They're saying the weekly numbers grow a little bit every week, so every week is technically record breaking.
The absolute number of lifetime downloads can of course only go up (but that's even more vacuous).
robrain
a day ago
Their last sentence:
“Unix timestamp counter breaks record after writing this comment”
makes that vacuous connection, hence my original comment.
tempfile
14 hours ago
But that is perfectly consistent with the downloads incrementally going up all the time. It doesn't say anything about whether the recent policy changes increased that rate.
Timon3
14 hours ago
I'm sure you've actually checked the download numbers and are not just going "well akshually", right?
tempfile
13 hours ago
Excuse you? What I originally said was "I don't understand your comment". They posted a clarification, and the clarification still doesn't make sense. No, I haven't read the download numbers. How is that going "well akshually"?
Timon3
13 hours ago
The clarification makes sense, unless you presuppose that download numbers are consistently trending upwards.
tempfile
12 hours ago
No, it doesn't. If the claim is just that download numbers are not consistently trending upwards, they should have just said that. I would have no trouble understanding that. What they actually said is "Libreoffice didn't say the numbers were going up, they claimed a specific record." Well, so what? Nobody said Libreoffice said that! The OP said that, because if it's true, then it's not surprising that the latest stat (release or not) is the highest ever. Nobody in the thread so far has said anything that contradicts "the numbers were going up anyway, therefore the record might not be to do with the AI policy".
The numbers graph is spiky and I can imagine you could argue either way that they are generally trending up or not. But that's irrelevant!
Timon3
12 hours ago
This objection is completely meaningless unless the download numbers follow a consistent upwards trend. You are simplifying the new record to a boolean, but most people still find meaning in extraordinary events happening, even if they follow a general trend.
So I fail to see this discussion as anything but sophistry until anyone demonstrates that the download numbers are totally ordinary. It's typical HN contrarianism without any value, because it's enough to argue for the possibility of something, even when the data for checking it is easily accessible.
Ukv
11 hours ago
I think the confusion is that robrain somehow understood smokel's objection as being "all-time total downloads obviously increase over time, so this is meaningless", rather than what smokel actually said which was "the number of weekly downloads has simply been increasing over time". Which is why robrain quoted LibreOffice's "This is the highest number of downloads in the first week”, to counter the idea (which nobody suggested) that the record was just about all-time cumulative downloads going up.
That's then what tempfile was questioning how it contradicted smokel's claim (because it doesn't, just an imagined claim). Your points, that if the number of weekly downloads isn't actually consistently increasing then this could still be meaningful, are valid - but irrelevant to tempfile who was wasn't arguing that this is meaningless; you should argue that to smokel instead.
kitd
a day ago
Absolute number of downloads inevitably goes up. Weekly downloads number doesn't.
gopalv
a day ago
> Weekly downloads number doesn't.
The ChatGPT app downloads a copy of LibreOffice when you ask it to make pptx files.
So I've downloaded LibreOffice 3 times this week without really paying attention to it.
jandrese
a day ago
Ironic since the headline implies that people are downloading it specifically to avoid AI features being shoved into our document editors.
jolmg
a day ago
Their point is that weekly downloads may have been on a constant rise for years due to a constant rise in popularity. It's not as constant as absolute number of downloads, but the point is that "breaking record" is still something that's likely happening frequently and doesn't need to be related to any statement they gave. They don't share any numbers, at least in the post.
NitpickLawyer
a day ago
> In one week, the installer was downloaded more than 1 million times — not counting updates via Linux distribution repositories.
Either there's 1m people downloading new software "because no ai", or there's another popular thing that installs this, and is not counted in the "updates via linux repos". One is much much more probable than the other.
andai
a day ago
> or there's another popular thing that installs this
Yeah, an AI tool:
The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice
tcfhgj
a day ago
and the bundled copies will contribute to installer download statistics?
leptons
a day ago
You underestimate the public's hatred of AI-in-everything. HN is a bubble of AI.
KolibriFly
15 hours ago
Disliking clunky autocomplete is very different from going out of your way to replace Word with Libre Office. The average office worker will tolerate ten bad assistants before they voluntarily deal with ODF formatting quirks in a corporate environment
ghaff
a day ago
I fully expect the bubble is the people in tech who have strong feelings about the goodness or badness of AI one way or another.
loeg
a day ago
Global population is still rising. In general you should expect numbers to go up.
dspillett
a day ago
Unless they're is a negative force, such as people being put off by the lack of AI features. While a lack of such a response might not justify the headline used here, I think it is certainly worth noting.
loeg
a day ago
If you know absolutely nothing, though: expect usage of something used by humans to scale with the number of humans.
dspillett
13 hours ago
Yes. But in this case as there has been a recent announcement that could be significant, the trend continuing has some significance because it means the announcement likely⁰ had no detrimental effect¹.
We don't know absolutely nothing here: there is a new variable in play and this result gives us some evidence of the effect of that.
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[0] It _could_ have done, but something else countered it, though this is less likely according to Occam's razor.
[1] As opposed to reducing interest in the tools. The figures² apparently don't look to support an increase in interest though.
[2] Going by what others here are saying. The linked text doesn't state any numbers, nor does the announcement from the LibreOffice project, and I don't have time to go digging further ATM.
rf15
a day ago
Congratulation to your new unix timestamp record! (and yes, you too, nth reader!)
rgoulter
a day ago
I can tell you wrote this comment when you were younger.
worldsavior
a day ago
First!
yorwba
a day ago
Yes, here's the graph of weekly downloads: https://stats.documentfoundation.org/downloads#week,version The 26.8 peak is within the normal range of week-to-week variation.
tzs
a day ago
> Calling each new high "record-breaking" is a bit meaningless
It is the first to break a million in a week. Even if it has been steadily going up most people would consider passing that number interesting.
smokel
a day ago
That would make sense, but according to the stats posted in a sibling comment they crossed the million weekly downloads in week 31 already.
tzs
a day ago
Something isn't adding up. Here's what the Document Foundation says about 26.8 [1]:
> 1,031,162 downloads
> This is the highest number of downloads in the first week of any LibreOffice release! These are just stats from our official downloads page, of course – many Linux users will have acquired the new release via their distribution’s package repositories.
But their weekly stats page [2] does not show anywhere near that many downloads. It shows a small number in the first week, then a bit over 700k next week, then almost a million in the third week. Even if we combine the first two weeks on the chart under the assumption that release weeks might not align with the weeks using in the chart it is nowhere near a million.
Also the mouseover popup on the stats page is showing 26.8 several weeks before release.
[1] https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/09/02/one-week...
[2] https://stats.documentfoundation.org/downloads#week,version
tzs
a day ago
Update. Looking at the stats in day view instead of week view, the downloads for their release week were actually around [1] 1.259 million, using 2026-08-26 as the release date. That's the date in the release notes.
However, if we take the release date as 2026-08-25 then the 7 day total is exactly what their blog post said.
Also by comparing the week numbers to the daily numbers, we can determine that their week 35 is August 23-29 (Sunday to Saturday). They are using US week numbering, not ISO week numbering. In ISO it would be 24-30 (Monday to Sunday).
The Document Foundation is based in Germany so I kind of expected they would use ISO weeks.
[1] "around" rather than the exact number because this originally was an update to the original comment, but the edit window closed while I was writing it. When you submit in those circumstances you don't get an error and your editing area is undisturbed. You simply lose the editing area. I'm not going to go and add up everything again, so am going from memory of the number.
progval
a day ago
A graph to confirm it: https://stats.documentfoundation.org/downloads#week,version
martenson
15 hours ago
true, however this event seems like a significant daily spike: https://stats.documentfoundation.org/downloads#day,version
Rebelgecko
a day ago
Isn't it also a dep of some AI tools? Or maybe they use their own binary
manvillej
a day ago
I feel this every time the stock market hits a new “all time high”
fsckboy
a day ago
the stock market goes up and down daily, but with a functioning economy it will overall be up. from a distance you are right, something that keeps going up keeps achieving new highs.
but, if you follow the market on a daily basis, you will be paying attention to the market swooning for periods of time, maybe with a small recovery and then another swoon. New "all time highs" do provide convenient notifications that the economy has now grown from before. Without new highs, your investments are treading water.
neutronicus
a day ago
Hell, it took like 5 years for the market to get back to its peak after 2008.
Kapura
a day ago
is the trend of increasing weekly downloads not itself meaningful?
xdavidliu
a day ago
clickbait gonna clickbait. But you cannot blame it because in today's attention economy it really HAS to since everything else is too
reaperducer
a day ago
Calling each new high "record-breaking" is a bit meaningless.
Like how Hollywood is constantly saying each week's ticket sales are record-breaking, because they don't factor for inflation or population growth.
blackenedgem
a day ago
See also, every new iPhone/Pixel being the best they've ever release. You'd hope so!
podgietaru
a day ago
What? A Unix timestamp literally cannot ever be lower. Its a completely assinine comparison isn't it?
This is comparative.
phoghed
a day ago
False, in January 2038 at least some systems will go back in time
bluGill
a day ago
I'm planning to make a killing when somebody unretires me to fix all the issues.. Or maybe not, I hope my retirement accounts are so large I can laugh at their "piddly $500/hr offer".
QuantumNomad_
a day ago
The hourly pay will be $1200, no less. Thanks to inflation this amount will cover just about the cost of two second-hand teabags and a mouldy lump of bread.
soperj
a day ago
just make sure you get paid in cash before it rolls over.
bluGill
a day ago
Banks are known for running mainframes which handle dates differently and will not be rolling over. The ones that use unix are likely to 64 bit systems that won't roll over.
ape4
a day ago
thats_the_joke.jpg
tjoff
a day ago
Just wait til 2038 ;)