Your Racist Linux Distro Is Very Nice (Scott Jennings)

57 pointsposted 6 hours ago
by vintagedave

34 Comments

user

13 minutes ago

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andai

5 hours ago

I was actually thinking about this yesterday. A government's function is analogous to a parent, i.e. protecting the people it's responsible is priority #1. If it consistently refuses to do that, then that's not quite a government anymore, by definition.

card_zero

5 hours ago

Oh like a nanny, or a big brother?

andai

5 hours ago

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card_zero

4 hours ago

I just don't like the bit about how the government is your caring parent. No it isn't. It's protection against worse governments and other mafia organizations, and against the governments of other countries. If you start thinking of it as your caring parent, you'll look to it to do everything for you, and to do everything right, and you'll be in continual struggle against everybody else about the right way to do things, hoping that government force will be on your side. "Why can't we have a good government!" you'll say, blaming it on the voting system.

andai

an hour ago

> If you start thinking of it as your caring parent, you'll look to it to do everything for you

Well we could start by not turning a blind eye to hundreds of thousands of systematic child rapes. That's the engineering problem I'm trying to solve here. (You gotta start somewhere!)

I am open to suggestions though.

(Not caring what kind of country those children will inherit appears to be a closely related failure.)

p.s. Deleting the mass need for an omnipotent parent figure is also a worthwhile project, though I think it deserves separate treatment.

cyberpunk

5 hours ago

How is posting an article about the sexual exploitation of minors in the UK “hideously racist”?

Is it because the perpetrators in that case are, majority wise from one ethnic background?

There are uncomfortable truths in the world, it sucks.

user

11 minutes ago

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karmakurtisaani

5 hours ago

It's wrong because you're labeling the whole ethnic group. But since you believe in "uncomfortable truths", I'm sure youre willing to start calling the Epstein pedophile ring white rapist pedophiles? Damn those whites raping our children!

cyberpunk

5 hours ago

I know plenty of british asians, whom i consider my friends, who aren’t pedophiles — where does any of this say it applies to everyone? Of course it doesn’t. It sounds a lot like the person with race issues is you.

karmakurtisaani

3 hours ago

Ok, so Pakistani people rape, white people are pedophiles and Asians do nothing like that at all. I mean not everyone, but you know what I mean wink wink.

skyyler

3 hours ago

You should really try to work on your rhetorical skills. This is kind of embarrassing.

The solution to racism won't be found through whatever you're doing right now.

Recommended reading: Frantz Fanon's Black Skin, White Masks

karmakurtisaani

2 hours ago

From wikipedia:

> Black Skin, White Masks has been criticized as sexist and homophobic.[6] Among other statements, the book contains the remarks, "Just as there are faces that just ask to be slapped, couldn't we speak of women who just ask to be raped",[7] and "when a woman lives the fantasy of rape by a black man, it is a kind of fulfilment of a personal dream or an intimate wish",[8] and "the Negrophobic man is a repressed homosexual".[9]

Yikes! I think I'll stick to my embarrassing rhetorical skills.

msie

5 hours ago

The brits would like to forget about Jimmy Savile.

hn_throw2025

4 hours ago

I was going to make the same point.

In no way do I endorse Rupert Lowe or the Restore party.

But referring to that blog post as “hideously racist” is exactly why new victims will be made today, and new victims will be made tomorrow.

We are talking about the organised sexual torture of children here. There should be nothing more repulsive to a decent civilised society.

People using terms like that need to take a long, good look at themselves, especially as they are so proud of their “moral compass”.

ownagefool

5 hours ago

I'm British, left leaning and married to an immigrant. The posts themselves don't come across as racist.

It's a fact in British politics we refuse to publish crime stats per ethnicity, but the Danes do, and it's fairly obvious that certain types of immigration aren't good for your society.

Of course, these are cultural problems usually linked to specific regions and socioeconomic backgrounds rather than actually race related, but we've been in a weird space for many years where it's racist to discuss the problems, and ergo when you do find people willing to discuss them, they do tend to be actually racist.

Which makes it hard to jump to defend DHH here, because you're unsure what you're missing. The sad thing is, the denial drives actual racism, because it's the only outlet to actually discuss the problems.

For those not aware, British population growth is about 10m in 20 years, largely immigration ( Births are below replacement rate ) and largely pushed to depress wages and expand the tax base to fund pensioners. There's also a lack of investment in services, we can no longer easily find a GP, Dentist, School spots, and house prices have become unreachable. It's more class warfare than race related.

drcongo

5 hours ago

You're leaving out the endorsement of noted racist Tommy Robinson here, whose raison d'être is to foment racial hatred. If you're married to an immigrant, I would have thought the end of the slippery slope would be as concerning to you as it is to me being married to a non-white person.

ownagefool

5 hours ago

I am concerned actually, and Tommy is a racist.

I guess my question there is, is DHH ignorant to who Tommy really is, or is it a full endorsement.

ungovernableCat

4 hours ago

Tommy isn't even the most serious contender for the ethno-nationalist politics (remigration and nativism) being pushed in the more fringe parties here in the UK.

My read on DHH is that he's simply a sheltered 40 something rich guy who just has the most surface takes on political things, mainly influenced by whatever he sees on Twitter. He lives in Malibu, CA for one thing. If you're working in tech in California you'll definitely be working right along with many engineers from China or India. Both of which would be marked as non desirable by nativist parties in the UK.

Hell even himself as a Dane would be.

Certhas

5 hours ago

In Germany we have a term "besorgte Bürger" - concerned citizens. They just share their concerns. Concerns about all the brown people. Immigrants. Crime. Just sharing concerns.

But the blog posts by DHH that are being linked here actually go fully beyond that. They explicitly define native to mean white. No matter how many generations your family has been here, if you're not ethnically white, you are no native of this country. In his own words.

That's as explicitly racist as you can be. I honestly was not expecting this when I started reading. I was expecting the usual dog whistles and trolling. But no, DHH is posting full blown endorsements of the person who created several explicitly fascist and racist organizations in the UK (Tommy Robbinson).

What are you defending here? This is the type of stuff DHH writes:

"These are two situations cut from the same cloth of ideology. Whether it's wolves or gypsies, you can't just let the problems get out of hand. You have to act. You have to protect the sheep. Standing idly by while your livestock is devoured by predators or your neighborhood is taken over by migrants is a pathetic abdication of any functioning society's most basic duty to its citizens.

When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them. This isn't hard, it isn't cruel. It's the basic logic of self-preservation."

Edit: Mind you, this is coming from someone who 100% believes that concerns about racism has prevented some uncomfortable conversations and investigations that need to happen. But pretending like only people on the far-right and people like DHH are willing to say this is just wrong. This is also the stated outcome of official inquiries of the UK government.

cyberpunk

5 hours ago

Yeah that’s pretty bad. I’m not defending anything really but it’s one of those situations i think where everyone is just trying to do what they think is right, i don’t think either side is intentionally doing evil or whatever.

people are confusing dumb things, I don’t think we’ll ever change the mind of either side of the debate and so I don’t really see the point in even engaging with it anymore. in this case i find it kinda funny that people would choose software over the political opinions of its authors, or even more extreme based on how the vendors of that software donate their profits...

What will we do if it turns out the author of some “load bearing” bit of oss has fringe political beliefs? Where does it end? Are we sure the people who made our kitchen spoon aren’t klansmen?

Is the idea “Quick everyone, we should write a replacement that conforms to the majority view!”

It all just seems so intolerant. Let people be people, if they have stupid opinions whatever they’re theirs not ours.

ownagefool

5 hours ago

You make solid points to be fair.

hn_throw2025

4 hours ago

> But pretending like only people on the far-right and people like DHH are willing to say this is just wrong. This is also the stated outcome of official inquiries of the UK government.

As a German you may not be aware of this, but the scandal has been developing for a very long time. I have seen estimates that this has been going on for as long as 20 years*. Both Tory and Labour governments have resisted a national enquiry, and when the pressure built enough they tried to proactively limit the scope of any enquiry by pitching terms of reference in advance, like no mention of ethnicity.

The findings of the enquiry mentioned by the blog is a private one organised by Rupert Lowe (who I otherwise detest).

* I have often said that if these gangs had been targeting the daughters of Cabinet Ministers and Chief Constables, the abuse would have been stamped out in weeks.

Certhas

an hour ago

I spent/spend a lot of time in the UK.

I already agreed (as did the UK Government audit) that there was a reluctance to investigate due to fear of being racist. But the official inquiries have happened, and they were initiated by the left. Did it take to long? Yes, but so did Hillsborough. I think your assertion that class of the victims has a role to play here is absolutely accurate. But again, all of this was also already stated in officially commissioned reports going back 13 years. The Jay Report being the earliest I could recall/find right now [1].

Let me be absolutely clear: We cannot leave pointing out problematic culture in specific groups to the racists. This is something that will be supremely important to get right going forward. The challenge is that at the same time, the racists are always selectively highlighting crimes by minorities, even if they occur statistically at the same rate as for the whole population. And we _also_ need to defend minorities against this slander. And if you know anything about public communication, you know that that's tough. Clean simple messages repeated over and over tend to win.

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As I just looked it up, here is what the report commissioned by the council said in 2013: https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/279/independent-...

Issues of ethnicity related to child sexual exploitation have been discussed in other reports, including the Home Affairs Select Committee report, and the report of the Children’s Commissioner. Within the Council, we found no evidence of children’s social care staff being influenced by concerns about the ethnic origins of suspected perpetrators when dealing with individual child protection cases, including CSE. In the broader organisational context, however, there was a widespread perception that messages conveyed by some senior people in the Council and also the Police, were to 'downplay' the ethnic dimensions of CSE. Unsurprisingly, frontline staff appeared to be confused as to what they were supposed to say and do and what would be interpreted as 'racist'. From a political perspective, the approach of avoiding public discussion of the issues was ill judged.

There was too much reliance by agencies on traditional community leaders such as elected members and imams as being the primary conduit of communication with the Pakistani-heritage community. The Inquiry spoke to several Pakistani-heritage women who felt disenfranchised by this and thought it was a barrier to people coming forward to talk about CSE. Others believed there was wholesale denial of the problem in the Pakistani-heritage community in the same way that other forms of abuse were ignored. Representatives of women's groups were frustrated that interpretations of the Borough's problems with CSE were often based on an assumption that similar abuse did not take place in their own community and therefore concentrated mainly on young white girls.

Both women and men from the community voiced strong concern that other than two meetings in 2011, there had been no direct engagement with them about CSE over the past 15 years, and this needed to be addressed urgently, rather than 'tiptoeing' around the issue.

kova12

5 hours ago

At this point, the word "racism" was misused so much, that its meaning is completely lost. People use it to throw dirt at the ones they don't like, like monkeys throwing feces at each other.

HexDecOctBin

5 hours ago

Even ignoring Hansson's racism and general assholery, can Linux users please start treating OSes like infrastructure and not like costumes? Just use Mint (or Fedora if feeling adventurous) on PCs and Debian on servers. Nobody can build anything if the ground keeps shifting.

palata

5 hours ago

I don't treat OSes like costumes, but I don't see the problem with people doing it? Many times it feels like it's people being enthusiastic about Linux, jumping from one distro to the other, and commenting on which one they prefer. Reminds me of how I was "tuning" my Windows when I was a teenager, installing all kinds of addons that made it "look cool".

> Nobody can build anything if the ground keeps shifting.

I don't see the ground shifting. Most distros are just a skin on top of a mainstream distro (Omarchy is apparently just Arch).

Of course there are many things in the Linux world: people use a variety init systems (systemd, openrc, runit, s6, ...), libc (glibc, musl, ...), userlands (gnu, busybox, ...), display servers (x11, wayland), window managers (gnome, kde, cinnamon, xfce, sway, i3, ...), display managers, sound servers, package managers, file systems, bootloaders, shells, ...

That's just part of being Linux, and people having the freedom to use whatever they want. Sure, most people are not technically capable of building their distro of choice, so they jump between existing wrapper-distros like Omarchy. And that's part of the deal as well.

tpoacher

5 hours ago

I don't know. I read the article and it feels to me the author is a bigger problem than his attack target.

News at 11.

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5 hours ago

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