They've interestingly left out any mention of speed.

I have been testing 3.7 flash against 3.5 flash and it seems to lose every time in overall latency. Every benchmark I've seen seems to suggest the opposite[1] - that 3.7 flash is significantly (at times 2x) faster than 3.5 flash - but I have never been able to prove this out in real world use cases.

Has anyone found their latency numbers to actually be accurate? Is this why they've toned it down in this release? For context, I'm testing larger generation payloads that take 8-10 seconds in 3.5 flash and 15-25 seconds in 3.7 flash. Lowest reasoning settings in both cases.

1: https://artificialanalysis.ai/?speed=intelligence-vs-speed&m...

Hopefully before they release 4.0 Flash we will finally get Gemini 3.5 Pro.

Everyone is censoring models now with anything remotely resembling cyber or bio. I already have problems with my research in mathematical epidemiology because of that - both Sol and Fable simply refuse. They keep pushing people towards Chinese models that can be decensored.

Some more discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49537553

3.8 uses nearly twice as many tokens as 3.7. One might be inclined to think that they just uppsed the thinking budgets...

3.7 used 64M on high: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-7-flash 3.8 used 120M on high: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-8-flash

Even their own chart showed more than 2x higher cost compared to 3.7: https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/ima...

Who coined the phrase "cyber" for security related things lol. It's so 1999.