> and at the same time seemed to have lost the ability to centrally disable training on prompts for your entire organization

There is a toggle on https://admin.mistral.ai that allows you to disable training for both Vibe and Console/API for your entire organisation. And I'm not on the enterprise plan. I've disabled training the first time I created an account, and it has remained that way.

You story is also very confusing due to the wording around "opt-in by default" and "disappointed [about] opt-in to training" (most people would be disappointed about an opt-out) and probably conveys the wrong message to most people.

"For contrast: Claude disables training on prompts for organizations starting from the 18 euro tier "

In theory also for individuals?

At least I have that toggle to deactivate that. But how would I ever know if they actually respect that?

“Opt in by default” would mean that it is not enabled by default. Do you mean opt out?

> opt-in by default

That's called opt-out.

"You can opt out at any time"

....

"Of course we'll randomly turn that option off for you aka FB style and hope you don't notice. There is zero legal liability for us doing so, so why wouldn't we".

Agreed. I read the title as they would start using my data for training and I couldn't opt-out. After looking at the page and checking my app (I have Pro subscription) it seems like I can opt-out and my initial opt-out when I subscribed was preserved.

This is the case for all the major AI providers. Training collection is on by default, but you can opt out.

Maybe they realized that they were falling behind too much? To me it seems like user-feedback on bad descisions by the AI once it's trained to a basic level is among the most important signals in tuning the model to perform better.

You must have not been keeping up with the times :)

Their big play this year was to write a "whitepaper" on the future state of EU economy, which is something that they'd like to hand of to EU leaders and part of that proposal was some kind of mandatory 10% sovereign AI spend, or some other nonsense like that.

They are, at least, trying to make big enterprise (with tailored models, custom integration) and government policy plays.

That just goes to show you how ineffective they are as well at making AI click as a usecase.

And when they don't get ahead by their own terms they copy what they see ongoing with US AI labs. Le Chat, and Vibe.

How so? I've opted out of using my data for training.

What do you expect from running on "someone else computer?"

To have at least a choice of using a European trained model. Downloadable weights is not open source. Mistral is able to respond to any regulatory queries about training data and concerns.

To be honest, I have a hard time noticing differences with Claude (in Kiro) and Mistral Vibe, at least with what I use them for. They simply feel like talking to the exact same thing.

The OCR stuff is quite usable. Their models perform good at some very basic tasks, so I use them to diversify. But their current model lineup is really terrible.

Possibly because Mistral is a French-based company, so EU companies can cut the American umbilical cord a bit more.

I'm really hoping Mistral will succeed with their open models, so I'm a bit biased, but I don't have any affiliation. This submit is a bit of well-meaning but confused scaremongering however.

Mistral has had, and continues to have, a toggle in the admin settings that permanently disables training on your data. The option has not been removed, and previous opt-outs are still honored. As far as I know, Mistral always trained on your data by default except for the enterprise plan, with the option to disable it on all plans, and with the option for organizations to make the choice for all your users.

Kagi Ultimate still uses mostly closed models by OpenAI / Anthropic, etc.

You can still easily disable "Allow the use of your interactions with Vibe to train Mistral's AI models." What's annoying is that they switched this to on by default on Team plans with no way to turn it off for your whole team/org, this week.

> I hate data collection in paid products.

You can opt out in this one.

My best experience with Mistral has been with their expensive GLM-5.2 model. It's actually developed by Z.ai, but unlike Z.ai, the GLM-5.2 at Mistral can be used at a low price without training on your prompts - but only if you remember to hit the privacy toggle in their admin settings.

Planning code changes with GLM-5.2 using a Mistral Studio API key and implementing code changes using the Mistral Vibe API key has worked well for me. At my basic subscription tier, Vibe will share data with Mistral. It works for me because, when it comes to privacy, I care less about the actual code and more about the planning / high-level stuff.

You can opt out.

Just run your LLMs locally instead of using external providers.

Using Claude, Mistral and the rest of them is not going to solve your issue with data collection.

> Most commenters here clutching their pearls as if Claude and Gemini Pro didn't do it already.

That's not the point though. The problem is that in the minds of lots of people including here on HN or otherwise, a service based in the EU is de-facto "more" respectful of digital privacy.

You can read the comments on threads related to the EU tech where you will find people defending to the very end that privacy is better in the EU and that EU providers will never stoop as low as their US counterparts.

As always the truth is a lot murkier than that.

Yes, some services based in the EU are better in terms of privacy but it's not a given for all of them and it depends entirely on the service. Unfortunately such a nuanced take is not wildly popular in the tech world in this day and age where every US company is labelled as an evil data hungry entity and EU companies are portrayed as saints in this regard.

That's where the first problem lies.

The second problem is that for years now, people have been singing the praises of Mistral as a privacy friendly alternative the the US juggernauts because Mistral's headquarters is located in the EU and unfortunately today it seems some people are waking up to the fact that Mistral is doing the same thing than its US counterparts and they are disappointed which is understandable.

Who is to blame for this dichotomy? Is it Mistral who leaned too much on this marketing angle (the European Chatgpt without the invasive tracking/ better privacy settings) or is it the users who failed to realize that EU or not, Mistral wasn't going to pass on the opportunity to improve its models this way?

My hunch is that it's both.

I had the option, and had it disable everywhere, manually. The only one I didn't use, at all, is Anthropics service because of iffy Dario aura and their terms of service. Where is training in user data enforced and not possible to opt out?

This isn't the case. There's a toggle on https://admin.mistral.ai that allows you to disable training for both Vibe and Console/API for your entire organization, I just checked.

Yes. If the privacy control only exists per user, it isn't a control for a team.

Defaults matter more than the blog post. "You can opt out" is not the same product as "the org can actually enforce opt out."