Debian: Retiring from the Project (Vv221)

30 pointsposted 11 hours ago
by tosh
(lists.debian.org)

17 Comments

ben_w

10 hours ago

While this is a sentiment I agree with in isolation, it is odd to me to see all LLMs tarred with this particular brush:

> Pretending to have a "neutral stance" when faced with fascism is not neutrality, it’s active collaboration.

I would have expected the question of copyright over AI-authored work to be a critical failure point, however.

s0ss

8 hours ago

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cyanydeez

7 hours ago

On the otgerhand, if we can evict fascists we can keep the disregard of IP more to social benefit.

Of course, the first parts pretty hard.

nubinetwork

7 hours ago

I was able to read the first post, but now I'm getting connection refused... wtf

Edit: seems fine now, maybe we hit some connection limit? /shrug

LatticeAnimal

10 hours ago

I am out of the loop. Why are LLMs seen as fascist technology?

(I see arguments against “Open”AI / Anthropic but what about companies like Mistral?)

altcognito

9 hours ago

I'm pro LLM generally speaking, but LLMs are the most extreme version of corporatism you can imagine. Taking literal the entirety of human thought and existence, distilling it, and reselling it to you piecemeal with whatever god forsaken manipulation that corporations are likely to apply to it.

Look at the political landscape (in America) today, and why does government fail to serve its people? Because corporations by and large want to privatise everything because it gives them ever increasing power over people's lives. (so they agree to destroy institutions that have served people well)

Obviously Europe (yes, not a monoculture) and China are not immune, but it manifests itself in different ways that I am not really qualified to get into.

throw0101a

9 hours ago

> Taking literal the entirety of human thought and existence, distilling it, and reselling it to you piecemeal with whatever god forsaken manipulation that corporations are likely to apply to it.

From earlier this month, "Aaron Swartz was prosecuted for scraping, while Meta does it without consequence":

* https://blog.curiousquail.com/im-upset-again-about-a-co-crea...

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49379550 1700 points by speckx 9 days ago | flag | hide | past | favorite | 403 comments

Wowfunhappy

5 hours ago

What if you use the open weight models?

altcognito

4 hours ago

Open weights are one thing, but honestly, the holy grail would be the original data (and some reasonably cost model by which to train something equivalent).

We've kind of reached the age of true industrial sized data. We've been acclimated to being able to eventually get to supercomputer levels of computation -- it will be a decade before we get there (if we ever do). It will be critical to retain the data that we have before it is locked off from the world into private vaults.

I think the other sibling response to this comment is reasonable: corporations violate the law and they pay some minimal penalty. people violate the law and effectively lose their life.

Wowfunhappy

3 hours ago

But if the original data is the whole internet (and then some), what would that even look like? Would it be useful to anyone? Are individuals going to re-run the training?

altcognito

6 minutes ago

It would look like a very large hard drive and a whatever the form of the cheapest way to train a huge model would be.

Useful? I guess without a ton of the RL training sets it may be challenging.

majorchord

27 minutes ago

After reading the post, I only see him calling it "fascist-backed technology" but not fascist in and of itself. Of course that too I think is highly debatable.

Interesting that he's OK using technology in general though, almost all of which is created from raw materials mined by forced/child labor. How is that not more important?

kstrauser

9 hours ago

No freaking telling. I understand reasons why people might oppose AI, but fascism isn’t on that list.

fhalker

9 hours ago

The good human beings resign!

Finally someone mentions corporate influence and enrichment of three future trillionaires.

AI is an inherently fascist and thought controlling technology and we can see that most of Debian has already been brainwashed.

In the beginning, Debian fought against Microsoft. The good and intelligent people left and Debian is just another arm of big tech. It is nauseating to read the low intellectual level of the conversations and the feigned naivete of the corporate shills. Debian is the new Microsoft now.

So what remains? Gentoo, LinuxFromScratch, FreeBSD, NetBSD!

fashG

9 hours ago

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