US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"

212 pointsposted 13 hours ago
by robtherobber

79 Comments

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11 hours ago

If you’ve wondered why there wasn’t an effective political Left in this county for the last ~60 years, buckle up.

mbmbn

8 hours ago

You literally have a branch of the Democrat party with elected officials claiming they want to “seize the means of production”.

angoragoats

2 hours ago

The name of the party is the Democratic Party.

I am aware of Mamdani using that phrase approximately 5 years before he ran for NYC mayor. Who else has said that?

leonixyz

10 hours ago

Being far-left is now officially terrorism. Now they will start move the bar one step at a time, one organization at a time, to cut off every political movement that does not align.

TiredOfLife

5 hours ago

I live in a country that enjoyed the wonders of being governed by far-left for 50 years. They are and always were terrorists.

swed420

5 hours ago

If you're referring to Cuba, then the US is definitely the terrorist in that relationship.

swed420

5 hours ago

It actually was declared a year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSPM-7

And a bit rich that it mentions its reasoning included the Kirk assassination. Kirk was starting to make noise about the Epstein stuff, so Trump personally called him and told him to knock it off. Shortly after he was assassinated.

BLKNSLVR

11 hours ago

Nice to know these guys exist, might have to make use of some of their services.

austin-cheney

11 hours ago

They really don't have to call a group far left or far right in their justification, because it sounds like weak credibility in search of social support. They could just call them a criminal organization seeking directly, or indirectly, to contribute to violence for political ends, which does not sound like the case here.

bix6

10 hours ago

But if they label it far left then they get to rile their idiot supporters up.

tumetab1

10 hours ago

> They could just call them a criminal organization seeking directly, or indirectly, to contribute to violence for political ends

Most jurisdictions will prosecute you under terrorism laws for that.

The "adjectives" (far-left) are there just explain to the public what kind of terrorism they are talking about.

vkou

4 hours ago

How is a newspaper calling for war, or a billionaire sponsoring a warhawk not meet the same criteria?

beej71

10 hours ago

> because it sounds like weak credibility in search of social support

And it works!

UJ-FLD-ScrTr

11 hours ago

From a European perspective, one has long wondered what this government actually considers NOT to be terrorism. The violent storming of a national symbol of democracy is clearly not one of them.

This doesn't exactly make one want to spend their next vacation in the USA – even though, admittedly, we have our own problems here.

deaux

10 hours ago

"I am a freedom fighter, you are a rebel, and he is a terrorist."

Going against the US regime means you're a terrorist. If you instead bomb a "terrorist nation", i.e. "a nation not aligned with the US regime"'s schoolgirls, you're a freedom fighter.

red_admiral

10 hours ago

Terrorism has always meant the other guy's goons, as opposed to my freedom fighters.

jauntywundrkind

10 hours ago

Get right the frak out. No. This is the most ridiculous cope. There's nothing like this creeping horrifying terrormongering fascism. This use of the state against any and everyone who doesn't fall into line.

tkel

6 hours ago

The word "terrorist" is almost always used in a propaganda context. There's a good book you should check out, that surveys media mentions and provides hard statistical evidence for this: Manufacturing Consent.

bit-anarchist

6 hours ago

It isn't a cope. They are pointing out the fact that the state has been used against the opposition multiple times in the past by authoritarians, by both the US (this goes beyond DT's gov too) and socialist governments (although they often use the term "reactionaries" instead).

jauntywundrkind

5 hours ago

Who did Obama sick the DOJ on? Who did Biden? How? Did his lackies at the FCC bully media companies, threaten to take them off the air for what their comedians did? What noblogs.org did they go after? Did they tell everyone the un-cities were violent overrun places that needed that national guard sent in? Did Obama's personal lawyer get to run the DOJ?

The left/"socialists", generally, these days, seem to believe pretty strongly in individuals liberty. They aren't the same rank hypocrites who crow and cry foul every chance they get, only to violate those same principles as soon as it's convenient.

ButlerianJihad

5 hours ago

danorama

5 hours ago

"In late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department's inspector general found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny, blunting claims that the issue had been an Obama-era partisan scandal.[1][2] The 115-page report confirmed the findings of the prior 2013 report that some conservative organizations had been unfairly targeted, but also found that the pattern of misconduct had been ongoing since 2004 and was non-partisan in nature."

wmeredith

10 hours ago

> one has long wondered what this government actually considers NOT to be terrorism

Anyone willing to line their pockets, it seems.

TitaRusell

8 hours ago

America is one of the few countries that honor their traitors with statues.

Arodex

10 hours ago

>This doesn't exactly make one want to spend their next vacation in the USA – even though, admittedly, we have our own problems here.

Don't worry, Trump and Musk will export their model to Europe. They guys and gals who were easily bought by Russia when it had money will very gladly side with the richest and gaudiest men on Earth.

tialaramex

10 hours ago

The American Right are spending a surprising amount of resources on fucking over Europe. Once piece of good news about a future US economic crash is that there'd be no money left to do that. After Elon gets a tax bill from a new progressive administration whose answer to "You can't tax your way out of America's problems" is either "Well lets at least try" or even "If the effect is just to get rid of the billionaires we're OK with that too" your local racists may find he's too distracted to wire them some more cash for their antics.

But maybe that's just wishful thinking, it's not as though there weren't fascists about, they just didn't have the same funding before.

amarcheschi

11 hours ago

>Their claim about Rose City Antifa seems to be false, however, conflating Rose City Antifa with another project called Rose City Counterinfo.

Can't make it real

physhster

11 hours ago

a̵n̵t̵i̵-̵a̵n̵t̵i̵fa is just fa, no?

wmeredith

10 hours ago

No. Just because I am not against people golfing, does not making me a golfer.

morkalork

10 hours ago

If you're hunting down and prosecuting anti-golfers for their beliefs then you're at least a golfer-sympathizer. A golf club licker if you will.

Arodex

10 hours ago

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

wl

10 hours ago

Assuming this is a serious question: There are people who are not themselves fascists who object to the direct action tactics (read: violence, vandalism) sometimes employed under the banner of "antifa."

MSFT_Edging

10 hours ago

It's always curious to me how property damage weighs the same or worse than violence against real humans.

I've had people tell me with a straight face that broken windows make one group just as bad as the group threatening violence based on ethnic lines. I don't get it.

meta_gunslinger

10 hours ago

Parent also said 'violence', why did you conveniently choose to ignore that? Antifa has absolutely enacted physical violence on actual human beings. Ah, I know, Antifa is just an idea! That violence cannot be attributed to them.

47282847

7 hours ago

“Antifa has…” is like saying “Nerds have” or “Hackers have”. It is really only a broad label, either assigned by one self or by others. I know people who are strictly against any violence and still proud to use Antifa “branding”. Others wouldn’t want to be called Antifa but are called that by others.

You are a HN user. Saying “HN users have enacted physical violence” and implying it is all of them is just utter bs.

meta_gunslinger

5 hours ago

“Fascists have…” is like saying “Nerds have” or “Hackers have”. It is really only a broad label, either assigned by one self or by others. I know people who are strictly against any violence and still proud to use Fascist “branding”. Others wouldn’t want to be called Fascist but are called that by others.

You are a HN user. Saying “HN users have enacted physical violence” and implying it is all of them is just utter bs.

orwin

5 hours ago

Fascists are just against the rule of law. They designed a multi tiered system where they have more rights than the one they judge inferior. An antifascist is someone who fights against fascists, either violently or, more often, through documenting of fascist groups, taking pictures and counter protesting.

MSFT_Edging

9 hours ago

The Weather Underground committed over a dozen bombings back in the day and the only deaths were WU members from a failed explosive. The wikipedia page has a table of right-wing terror attacks while the page for left-wing terror mostly describes guerilla groups in civil wars.

Generally no, Antifa is not a violent organization in the same way that violent white-nationalist/neonazi groups are violent.

Antifa hasn't shot up a church/synagogue/mosque. Followers of modern fascist sects have.

You're either willfully ignorant or purposefully biased to consider them on the same playing field.

meta_gunslinger

8 hours ago

I'll just post this one reply because you seem to have a completely tribalistic perspective and I don't have the time to be sucked into a tribalistic black-hole:

From the average person's perspective, who is neither a Fascist/Nazi/Far-Right Extremist nor Antifa/Far-Left/wte - nobody cares about your violence Olympics, the fact that your opponent tribe claims the Gold medal while yours claims Silver or Bronze, is completely irrelevant to us. And the particular problem is that everybody is aware of the danger of the one tribe, but then there are people like you who dismiss, normalize and whitewash the excesses of yours just because "the other guy is worse".

I hope you have a good day.

SpicyLemonZest

10 hours ago

If someone were to come to my workplace and smash a window, for example, I think it's pretty fair to interpret that as a threat that they might smash the people working there next.

__MatrixMan__

10 hours ago

These people are easy to find. Listen for people who are acting like a hero because they boycott Amazon or some other with-your-wallet kind of activism, and suggest nonviolent sabotage. They clutch their pearls so hard, each becomes a tiny neutron star, and you can then triangulate their position in real space based on the gravitational waves from those collapses.

woodpanel

4 hours ago

Judging from noblog's opening statement of "connecting radical people" together with a welcoming bomb, I'd suspect they are very welcoming to open, peaceful discussions, particulary with those holding opposing views.

> "When fascism returns, it will not say, 'I am fascism.' No, it will say, 'I am anti-fascism.'" – Ignazio Silone

wyre

10 hours ago

Yes. Or pro-fa.

impure

3 hours ago

If you had any doubts about digital sovereignty or leaving the USD movements...

deaux

10 hours ago

Right, so after already ramping up mass surveillance to the level of China [0], now the gap in freedom of political expression gap is also rapidly closing. Soon, there will be no gaps left, and it will just be worse in every single way imaginable. Until that day though, people will just keep pointing to those remaining gaps, one at a time. So that they can conveniently be taken away.

If you're not American, and have even a shred of moral fiber left in your body, I really recommend you don't come here. What awaits you in terms of Silicon Valley jobs is a choice of AI labs, AI wrapper startups, and Andreessen Horowitz-funded startups; this is 99% of fresh SV jobs. Beauties like Flock, Toka (hacking security cam footage), Doublespeed (AI influencer account botting), Civitai (30k deepfake models of real women), Cluely (cheat on everything), Coverd (betting on your bills), Cheddr (TikTok of sports betting), Ex-Human (have "adult" chats with bots mimicking underage celebs), and another hundred or so of such lovely products. All of these are a16z backed, and their tendrils are in every SV company out there. Stay in your country. If you're too thirsty for money to stay but still have some morals left, go to China, they're pretty much single-handedly driving the only thing left that gives humanity a chance of avoiding extinction; the transition to renewable energy.

[0] https://www.npr.org/2026/03/25/nx-s1-5752369/ice-surveillanc...

notwatching

5 hours ago

You lost me at the "morals" and "go to China". a) have you ever worked there and b) did you forget what you wrote in your very first sentence?

__MatrixMan__

9 hours ago

Or do come and start something new. Something meaningful. Show us how to build things that don't hurt each other, because we appear to have forgotten.

nojvek

4 hours ago

United States of Soviet America?

bediger4000

4 hours ago

Where is the NRA in all this? I mean, the NRA and their acolytes have spent about 40 years insisting that private armory ownership is the last defense against an authoritarian government overreach. Here we are, this is the overreach. Are the US' well-regulated militias gearing up as we speak?

duxup

4 hours ago

They don't really care about any of that. The NRA has been a slush fund for it's leadership for a while.

krapp

4 hours ago

Who do you think most of the NRA members and gun owners voted for? Their definition of "authoritarian government overreach" is "A Democrat is in the White House."

>Are the US' well-regulated militias gearing up as we speak?

If they are, it's because ICE is looking for recruits.

_bent

10 hours ago

sounds anti free speech to me!

watwut

10 hours ago

No, it is pro free speech. It is only when you censor or insult or criticize far right that free speech gets in danger.

samueljjlopez

11 hours ago

Cool.

So this is the US government acting at the behest of neonazis: " According to one anti-fascist research group, “Some of the most well-known NoBlogs sites belong to researchers who solely report on far-right hate and radicalization, never doing anything aside from showing you what exists.” " in their newest crusade generally championing the concept of fascism (which is what you get when you declare yourself anti-anti-fascist, as should be immediately evident to anyone with the ability to follow basica boolean logic).

Cool, cool.

woodpanel

11 hours ago

here's the official state department's statement: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

woodpanel

11 hours ago

According to that, they provided services to the guys that cut off parts of Berlin from the power grid, that caused 1 fatality.

IANAL but the common understanding of the situation would be: You can't as an ISP prevent malicious actors from using your service, but you do can assist the government - in this case the German - to hand over the data to help assist law enforcement. If state-department's claims are true, did noblogs.org do so?

amarcheschi

11 hours ago

In italy they were even arrested but always cleared of what they were accused. I don't believe the US gov did a better job investigating them either

ChrisArchitect

11 hours ago

forestrywat

11 hours ago

More related than dupe, as this article includes a statement from the group being labeled terrorist.

ChrisArchitect

11 hours ago

Same discussion. Statement shared over there. No need to split up the discussion.

layer8

11 hours ago

I submit that “dupe” is a misleading misnomer if the submission does not link to the same content.

1vuio0pswjnm7

8 hours ago

"I submit that "dupe" is a misleading misnomer if the submission does not link to the same content"

Imagine every time you make a submission the same commenter submits a reply with only a different thread URL, no title, no story URL, and the misnomer "[dupe]"

But the story URLs are different, not duplicates

It makes no sense

This site has constant repetition of URLs, topics and comments

It has 250+ pages of active stories at any one time. That's potentially 250+ different discussions

There is nothing in the design to prevent "duplication", nothing in the guidelines, and nothing in the proactive moderation

HN is described as a news aggregator. It should be expected in a news aggregator, users may submit stories by different authors published at different URLs offering different coverage of the same news topics. If the site operator wanted to prevent this for some reason, it could. HN does not

It seems the algorithm actually promotes such stories. Hence this sub-thread

Discussion on HN is generally highly repetitive, unoriginal and filed with meme-like, and sometimes toxic, comments. Many folks complain about it, others might like it. Every user is different. It's not for any one user to determine what any other user should or should not see; readers can make up their own minds

The majority of HN users do not participate in "discussion". They either read the stories and/or the replies. Some might only visit HN periodically. Perhaps they are not following HN discussions, they have no idea what has been discussed earlier and no time to find out or reason to care. The majority of HN stories have zero replies, i.e., no "discussion". It stands to reason that some users read the stories, i.e., the news, irrespective of "discussion". Upvotes on these stories are potential evidence; unless these users are just upvoting titles

Alleged "duplication" of discussion is irrelevant in these submissions because there is no discussion. Stories are not just "discussion topics". They are news, for readers who are interested in reading news

Finally, (real) duplicate URLs are commonly found in submissions that never get labeled "[dupe]". These are explicitly allowed on a discretionary basis. The "[dupe]" tag is inconsistently applied and cannot be relied on

ChrisArchitect

8 hours ago

Yeah, every time, because you know what you're doing.

Nothing to do with the urls, but the duplicate discussion topics. The site in fact does not have constant repetition of URLs, topics and comments (within similar timeframe). 250+ active discussions. All unique.

Stuff moves pretty fast around here and you can miss it. It's more about keeping things fresh and not repeating discussions over and over. And additionally stopping some of us from having to see the same story over and over.

Nothing in the design because that's what mods are for. Mods, and submitters looking out for the well-being of the site!

Your repeated submissions amounted to spamming the same topic while most coverage brings nothing new to the discussion that warrants a separate thread. Why split up the conversation only to have it all duplicated and impact the 'freshness' of the site with discussions already had hours to days earlier?

If you've been around enough it's weird that you're not clearer on this. Striving to keep the feed fresh and discussion together helps us all, you could do better to contribute that way.

shevy-java

10 hours ago

I think it is the reverse situation - the US government is a global terrorist. Canada noticed this too recently again, when the USA tried to sneakily put in abusive clauses that would take advantage of Canadians and put them as second class citizens in the new trade agreement. Trump acts as a mafia and now we know that "The Art of the Deal" is a mafia slogan.

SlightlyLeftPad

10 hours ago

“They are either the hero or the victim, but never the perpetrator.” - Narcissist ethos

“Narcissism has more in common with self-hatred than with self-admiration.” - Christopher Lasch

“The four core pillars of narcissism, as defined by clinical psychologist Dr. Ramani Durvasula, are a lack of empathy, grandiosity, a chronic sense of entitlement, and a constant need for admiration and validation” - America Psychology Association (possibly a global terrorist organization)

buellerbueller

11 hours ago

Why is the Trump administration against anti-fascism? </s>

Edit: lol @ the guy claiming anti-fascists are "intolerant" while all of today's leading technofascists are crowing about how empathy is self-defeating. so, we are supposed to eschew empathy, unless it is for fascist ideals? sure, technofascists, whatever you say.

jmclnx

11 hours ago

>Of course, Donald Trump’s successors could keep repressive policies like this in place, much as Joe Biden did.

This proves once again who runs the US Gov, it is not the voters but the ultra-rich.

mindslight

11 hours ago

For voters to actually be in control, they would have to do straightforward things like reject the obviously terrible destructionist candidate in favor of the milquetoast corpo stooge. I would love to say it's as principled as "I chose the wrench" from Good Will Hunting. But from everything I've surmised it's that mass media propaganda is really strong - most people simply can't fit more than one thing in their head at once. Focus them on how bad A is and they will eagerly choose B all day long despite it being clearly worse.

A long time ago I had the realization that the primary information flow in democracy isn't the few bits from each citizen to the government, but rather it's from the candidates/parties to the people making them think they wanted any of the ensuing shit because they "chose" it. And I'd say Grumpism has thoroughly proven that out. The people who used to be your average conservatives are now radical reactionary destructionists, and if you nudge them to ponder their former values they wince at thinking too hard and then get angry at you.

Supermancho

10 hours ago

If ranked voting wasn't being outlawed in various states, it might have started the US down the path of tearing down the miserable political duopoly.

meta_gunslinger

10 hours ago

Good, it's about time the radical left is held to account for promoting and enacting violence unchecked for the past few decades, while at the same time anyone opposing insane Progressive policies and social engineering has been branded a far-right extremist.

lopsotronic

9 hours ago

What are some big unchecked violent acts from the Radical American Left the last few decades? I'm making a big list and don't want to leave any of them out.

polski-g

2 hours ago

Bombing pregnancy centers. Sabatoging rail lines. Carrying out assassination attempts on federal officers. Attempting to burn police officers alive after chaining the doors shut. Lynchings of Horace Lorenzo Anderson and Antonio Mays Jr. Attempts to crash police helicopters with laser attacks.

jauntywundrkind

10 hours ago

Nonsense and delusion and lies.

The right is far more angry and violent. https://ccjs.umd.edu/feature/umd-led-study-shows-disparities... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/right-wing-extremist-v... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9335287/

And not over any good cause either, just violence for violence sake, no principles, no stakes.

These people arrested trying to assassinate 47? Either right or neutral. The presidents own people.

The right as always is desperately relying on projection. Their media systems blare that the cities are unlivable hell, that social order is breaking down, that antifa is burning cities down. The pitiful lies to deluded base, low engagement that they are, happy to be baited, laps it up. The right are insurrectionist psychos, are anti-social maniacs deluded and violent, cheered on by fascist maniac leaders intent on bedlam and strife.

rc5150

7 hours ago

insane progressive policies like giving people access to healthcare and a living wage? got it.

I'd be angry if I wasn't so disappointed how you and millions of others who think like you can be utterly allergic to logic, but I'm not angry. I pity you. I pity you because you're a victim of fascist brainwashing. It must make you feel so helpless to have to ideologically align with a child rapist and his cronies.