QuantumNoodle
8 hours ago
There are three parts of this talk, the last part (~last 15mins) bluntly address the question "how human roles shift in a world with advanced AI?"
My main takeaways from the speaker's position are: purely technical skills will get devalued because they tend to be verifiable tasks and AI will get better. Also effort will shift from building to evaluation of AI and systems. Speaker also mentioned that more of our time will go to decision making while AI takes over delivering on decisions.
I found many arguments to be at odds with one another bc the speaker does not address how someone can gain understanding without accumulating purely technical skills. It simply does not add up that someone who lacks purely technical skills in an area can make good decisions. Experience is often a by product of accumulating technical acumine in a particular problem area.
Diederich
7 hours ago
"It simply does not add up that someone who lacks purely technical skills in an area can make good decisions."
I've been thinking about this and your related points, and I've been (with growing concern) instinctively in agreement.
Another analogy has been coming up. I started programming (as a kid) in the late 1970s, first with BASIC (of course) but pretty quickly moved to machine language for obvious performance reasons, and then to C, followed by many other languages. In the late 1980s, at university, I learned proper assembly language, and used it quite a bit.
Back then, I was pretty good with assembly/machine language. Not super star or expert level, but comfortably solid. Since then though I've spent very little time at that low level.
Granted, such early exposure and experience has been a pretty big fairly indirect benefit. But over the years, I've met and worked with many really smart, productive people who have never had any experience at that low level, and that lack was rarely noticeable.
For any given 'layer of abstraction', there is some use in being familiar with the lower layers. I think, in general, the closer the lower layer is, the more useful the knowledge is. For example, how useful is deep knowledge of CPU microcode to a Java programmer? Perhaps some, but not a lot.
In the tech world, GenAI is likely to push most everyone quite a ways up the tower of abstractions. We're in the middle of that right now, and it certainly feels pretty alarming to me.
The biggest uncertainty that comes into my mind is how insanely fast this change is coming upon us. My crawl up the abstraction tower happened over the course of about 12 or so years, from machine language/assembly to C then to Perl then to many other things. In retrospect, that felt pretty fast.
GenAI is seemingly pushing us in that direction many times more quickly.
copperx
8 hours ago
Nobody has good answers for any of these things. It's a folly to think someone else has it figured out.
noncoml
8 hours ago
> Nobody has good answers for any of these things. It's a folly to think someone else has it figured out.
We don’t know that. Only history will tell us who figured it out and why.
What I don’t understand is why there is a clear decision between decisions and delivering on decision, other than the artificial need to retain control.
I don’t see a real roadblock that will prevent AI making better devisions than humans.
puzzledobserver
7 hours ago
I always thought that the Gettier problem was an academic curiosity.
Someone who justifiably holds beliefs about the eventual impact of AI that later turn out to be true---can they be declared to have been knowledgeable about the subject matter?
GPerson
7 hours ago
It could be that the ratio of the amount of context required for a good decision to happen to the amount of context an entity is willing or able to provide is not high enough. E.g. the AI might dictate my life better than me if I upload every single thing about myself to it, but for privacy reasons I only tell it a small amount about me.
And maybe corporations make similar decisions.
(You might counter that there will be local AI. This is true but it’s still risky to let an autonomous system have all your sensitive information, especially in the AI hacking age.)
QuantumNoodle
8 hours ago
I was wondering that too. I suppose if we take it to the extreme end of the spectrum, "end world hunger" is a great decision but how to actually realize it is another problem.
user
6 hours ago
hackable_sand
7 hours ago
"better" is a qualifier
esafak
8 hours ago
The pipeline problem is already well-discussed. Just learn the stuff even though the AI can do it, so you can acquire that supposedly valuable judgment. My concern is that if the only things left are the subjective and the social, only people who talk a big game are going to be valued.
bigiain
7 hours ago
There's a reasonable argument to be made that people who talk big game already dominate.