Xorg-Server 26.0.99.901

72 pointsposted 5 hours ago
by st_goliath
(lists.x.org)

23 Comments

throw0101d

2 hours ago

The mention of XQuartz (for macOS) reminded me to check that, and 2.8.6 was released mid-July:

* https://www.xquartz.org/releases/bare/XQuartz-2.8.6.html

Previously 2.8.5 was out in 2023:

* https://www.xquartz.org/releases/bare/XQuartz-2.8.5.html

There's a XQuartz 2.8.7 beta as well (xorg-server 26.1 rebase):

* https://www.xquartz.org/releases/index.html

egorfine

2 hours ago

omg, it's been over a decade since I have last used XQuartz. Did they finally open source the whole quartz-wm?

throw0101d

2 hours ago

> An XQuartz installation consists of many individual pieces of software which have various licenses. The X.Org software components’ licenses are discussed on the X.Org Foundation Licenses page.[1] The quartz-wm[2] window manager included with the XQuartz distribution uses the Apple Public Source License Version 2.[3]

* https://www.xquartz.org/index.html

egorfine

an hour ago

Ah, I can see that the binary blob is not needed anymore. Nice.

tyzoid

2 hours ago

Isn't most of this already in xlibre?

nazgulsenpai

2 hours ago

People have all kind of opinions about xlibre as a project and the politics around it that I'm not interested in, but if they're driving xorg to improve, that's a good thing.

I'm not some anti-wayland zealot but you will pry xfce out of my cold dead hands.

tomstockmail

an hour ago

Xorg has had releases for years and will continue to do so. But as you can see in the announcement, enterprise users are the driving factor.

nazgulsenpai

an hour ago

Yeah, but they haven't added any features in years, from what I assumed to be a maintenance only/feature frozen stance in favor of Wayland, which is (primarily) why xlibre forked.

wing-_-nuts

39 minutes ago

>I'm not some anti-wayland zealot but you will pry xfce out of my cold dead hands.

Hard same. I'm using xfce on my laptop with mint xfce edition, and it's a breath of fresh air. Everything just works how you'd expect it to work, and it gets out of your way.

I tried sway a couple years ago and I lost count of the number of things I needed to go and find wayland specific workarounds for. I know things have gotten better since then, but I didn't see any benefit to switching and a whole lot of hassle.

abenga

an hour ago

Even xfce will one day move to Wayland.

wing-_-nuts

an hour ago

With a project as user/dev hostile as wayland, it's much better to be a 'last mover' than first.

For the life of me, I'll never understand how wayland got traction with the community.

'Hey guys, we decided to implement a display server from scratch! We broke a ton of existing functionality and made a ton of low level stuff that X used to handle the responsibility of WM/DE devs!'

dralley

24 minutes ago

Wayland is not a "display server", it's a display protocol.

A lot of the "existing functionality" that it broke has nothing to do with displays, it's stuff that got crammed into Xorg at some point whether it made sense or not.

I find it quite funny that many of the same people that rag on systemd and say it does too many things, are big fans of Xorg doing a bunch of things that "display server" probably should not be handling.

Even if Wayland was a "display server", it would still "remove existing functionality" if it meant that in any principled sense, because "display server" is only half of what Xorg does.

But sure, the transition was difficult and took a long time.

wing-_-nuts

8 minutes ago

>Wayland is not a "display server", it's a display protocol.

I, as an end user, do NOT care.

>A lot of the "existing functionality" that it broke has nothing to do with displays, it's stuff that got crammed into Xorg at some point whether it made sense or not.

I also don't care about ivory tower ideals of what is within the dominion of 'display' and what is not. The fact of the matter is their changes broke a ton of functionality, and instead of even trying to provide feature parity, they basically dumped all that responsibility onto the WM/DE devs.

I have no idea why the community didn't take one look at their proposal and flatly ignore them.

M95D

21 minutes ago

I think it was the "security" argument. Some magic words like "security" and "protect the children" make most people go insane, abandon all reason.

wing-_-nuts

a few seconds ago

You'll excuse me if I am not terribly enthusiastic about breaking all sorts of functionality to solve a security problem I've never experienced in my 25 years on linux.

dralley

5 minutes ago

Xorg's security (and X11 in general) is objectively terrible - this is not even a debatable question.

boudin

an hour ago

There's already and experimental support no?

kobbs

2 hours ago

Intel modesetting driver with tearfree support in a xorg release!

jck86

25 minutes ago

Hoorah! Hopefully big distros will at least offer an optional upgrade to this.

I'm all for people switching to wayland but there should be choice and xorg should not be neglected for ideological reasons.

dralley

19 minutes ago

Xorg isn't neglected for "ideological reasons", it's neglected because development is work - and most of the people with knowledge of the problem domain decided they didn't want to work on Xorg anymore, and most of the companies that were paying for it decided they didn't want to pay for it anymore (apart from baseline maintenance, Xwayland and security fixes).

You're free to spend your own time and resources doing the work, but you don't get to dictate how other people spend theirs.