dinkleberg
4 hours ago
I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, so just gate that piece. It is rather unfortunate.
MoreQARespect
13 minutes ago
I had a similar experience when I tried to search through reviews on amazon on the mobile website.
The search box is gone and you're supposed to ask Rufus now.
goalieca
3 hours ago
I was very upset about this. I had a rental car and I needed to enter on the map where I wanted to go. Even with a damn keyboard it wanted Siri. It’s just gps and i had to dig my phone out and do the typing there instead.
semiquaver
2 hours ago
Apple considers siri essential for CarPlay and I don’t really disagree. Don’t forget that a big part of the design of CarPlay tries to explicitly discourage tactile use while driving, with siri as the alternative input/output method.
delecti
2 hours ago
I start my music and navigation route before leaving my garage, and any other interactions (volume up/down, skip song) are buttons on my steering wheel. What do I need voice input for?
(I use Android Auto, but it's basically the same thing for these purposes)
ErroneousBosh
23 minutes ago
Do people really use navigation apps often enough for this to be an issue?
cryzinger
2 hours ago
Interestingly, I have Google Assistant more or less disabled on my Android phone, but it still works when I have Android Auto enabled (which is fine by me since that's the one time that I ever want to use it).
netsharc
an hour ago
I got the email that they're burying Assistant in September...
I use it on the phone to set alarms, add tasks or calendar events, I swipe up on the home screen to launch the app, and talk. For calendar, speech ("add calendar event dentist appointment on September 22 at 4pm") is even much more convenient than scrolling to the right month/date, using the UI to pick the time.
I'm currently vibe-coding a replacement app to use on-device speech recognition and setting alarms or adding calendar events. Sadly third party apps can't add stuff to Google Tasks without further interaction (or without OAuth) like Assistant/Gemini can.
deepsun
an hour ago
Moreover, you cannot turn off Auto, as it will forcefully turn on WiFi even if you explicitly disable it.
mejutoco
41 minutes ago
And Google considers necessary to report (using tactile use while driving) if there are blockages in the road, construction, lane closures, an accident, etc.
The discrepancy of using both with an iphone is disconcerting.
skinfaxi
2 hours ago
Would be interesting to see anti competition law applied here, too. Essentially bundling the two together, leveraging the market for car play to gain adoption for Siri.
dataflow
2 hours ago
Is every utilization of CarPlay inside a car performed "while driving"?
fl0id
36 minutes ago
Is this maybe dependent on country? I have used carplay, and don't have siri enabled.
JackFr
an hour ago
I used CarPlay yesterday with Siri disabled. Am I missing something?
john_strinlai
2 hours ago
i feel relatively comfortable with carply + basic siri, leaving apple intelligence off. basic siri is pretty limited in scope of what it has access to and what it can do.
while it's an arbitrary line ive drawn, basic siri doesn't feel like "ai" in the same sense as context-aware assistants do for me.
mrtesthah
2 hours ago
I’ve never once been able to use CarPlay because I objected to Siri uploading information about my contacts list unencrypted to Apple’s servers.
john_strinlai
an hour ago
it's a bit more nuanced than you are making it out to be, but that's absolutely a fine and understandable choice to make.
mark_l_watson
3 hours ago
On our car I can hook up my iPhone via Bluetooth to listen to audio books and music, bypassing carplay.
fragmede
2 hours ago
With Apple intelligence turned on, when I take a screenshot on my iPhone, it wants me to do this search that goes to temu, instead of the text selection that it used to do. So I turned it off, but I have to turn it back on to have auto translation in iMessage.
sublinear
3 hours ago
Fallback states are generally a ton of work that don't benefit the direction that the PM or broader business would want to go anyway.
It's a pet peeve of mine that we often say "devs" when we really mean "the business". It seems to be gamers who started this language. They'll even call the publisher "the devs".
encom
an hour ago
A developer made whatever tech is currently pissing me off. I don't care about the supply chain.