ynac
4 days ago
I like to read a physical dirty (ink dust, not content) finger newspapers whenever I can get them. At a bakery / cafe a few weeks ago, sitting outside having cherry Danish and an Americano (the international special), I was reading the NYT and the SeaTimes section by section. It was awesome. Comics, international, regional beats, magazines. I realized somewhere in the middle of the caffeine and sugar rush, just what a huge effort it takes to put out a DAILY newspaper. It's incedible, even without considering the cheap price.
There was a couple nearby looking at the mess of papers on my table. I realized I needed to tidy my donnage pile of sections, and impulsively offered them to the couple. They almost jumped. If I didn't know better I swear they were living out some fantasy of holding a newspaper for the first time.
ilamont
4 days ago
> I realized somewhere in the middle of the caffeine and sugar rush, just what a huge effort it takes to put out a DAILY newspaper. It's incredible, even without considering the cheap price.
Former newspaper editor here. We took it for granted at the time, but the orchestration of different teams on a daily basis, with all kinds of cascading workflows and triggers, was something to behold. Editorial, design, special sections, ads, production, printing ... plus all of the smaller teams (copy desk, sports, etc.) and ad-hoc collaborations for instance involving a special event or major news story.
You'd go home late (or more often than not in those days, to the bar) feeling good about what your team had just shipped and looking forward to getting the hard copy early the next morning (sometimes when leaving said bar!). And then you'd start all over again around 11 am. It was far more intense than magazine or book publishing, which I got into later.
And this was in the 90s. Technology was making things faster, but there were still a lot of older analog systems in place including photography darkrooms. Once I even had to call in a breaking late story over a pay phone, dictating it to the editor on duty. Laptops were rare and expensive, and even the people who used them typically saved to a floppy which would be brought in to the newsroom later to be edited.
We had primitive terminal-based word processors (we called it "CText" but I can't locate any reference to it now) and I got started just as Quark Xpress entered the design workflow, replacing xacto knives and bits of paper and opaque plastic that was somehow imaged and sent to the printers. If you went back 30 years earlier, they were still using linotype.
ericd
3 days ago
This came up recently on HN, I thought it was an amazing watch: https://www.nytimes.com/video/insider/100000004687429/farewe...
I couldn't imagine the stress to hit deadline. And the insanity of making a whole set of new metal rollers every single day. It all really drove home just how much work went into making the paper happen.
ilamont
3 days ago
Interesting that nearly every single operator in that video is a middle-aged or older guy. Possibly because it was a union and those jobs were rock steady for decades, with very low turnover.
There are linotype machines in museums, and sometimes they fire them up for demonstrations. There are very few printers left who actually know how to use them, the operator I saw was 90 years old!
raddan
3 days ago
My first real job out of college was IT at a college textbook publishing company in the early-2000s. I had some experience doing design for offset printing in college, and I was kind of a hacker (with a philosophy degree), so that's probably why they hired me. My job was to help the design and production people switch to QuarkXPress and related tools. Many of these people were NOT HAPPY, let me tell you. They felt like the desktop publishing was taking the art out of the book design process. Now that technology has come for even people in my camp (software engineers and computer scientists), and I am 20+ years older, it's hard not to feel for what they were going through.
Ultimately, the company "did fine" but "doing fine" mostly meant that the older folks retired sooner than they had planned and were replaced with younger people who were more eager to cut their teeth doing design on a computer.
embedding-shape
3 days ago
> and an Americano (the international special),
Now I'm curious what you mean with "the international special"? Here (international to you perhaps; Spain) an Americano is just a espresso with lots more water, tastes more or less the same as drip coffee, perhaps a tad bit stronger as it's a diluted espresso. But never heard of a "international special" version, what could that be? :)
I similarly also like the tactile things but of things in general. Like a really good, solid, fluid and responsive knob is a really great feeling, or the keys of pianos that ranges from such a difference of emotion they give you hand. Or the surfaces of really well-made metal surfaces.
mat_epice
3 days ago
I read it as a little joke, since both Danish and Americano are named after different countries.
ynac
3 days ago
You got it - a very little joke. I was going to double down on a dirty chai joke, but I felt it would be inauthentic.
Chris2048
3 days ago
Just a tangent, but coffee ordering in Europe can be difficult for me sometimes, coming from UK/Ireland; most people here order a "latte", but I don't think it really exists in many places (at least in the same proportions, 1 or 2 shots in 180ml to 250ml steamed milk), even though their are similarly named item e.g. in Spain, Portugal & Italy.
embedding-shape
3 days ago
> most people here order a "latte", but I don't think it really exists in many places
Yeah, concepts like "latte" just differs so much based on the region/person that it's hard to establish "one true version" even though people will claim "one true version" actually exists, and people just have to follow the "rules" of the drink.
Latte for example will differ just based on what cafe/bar you are in Spain for example, just like a "Cafe Solo" will differ based on the cafe/bar you visit. Some will do 1/3 part espresso, others 1/8, and so on.
hydrogen7800
3 days ago
And some used to have multiple daily editions!
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS
4 days ago
I had this feeling recently at a local fair when a local online-only news site produced thier first-ever physical edition. It was great, I read through the entire thing while waiting for the parade.
ynac
4 days ago
What paper - if you don't mind sharing. That's pretty interesting!
KellyCriterion
4 days ago
same here! Also for Airports, trains etc... sometimes I even buy one, which is often around 6 - 7 bucks, esp. weekend issues
(haha, 6 - 7 bucks for a printed mag on paper - seems somehow surreal these days? Esp since its "a one day useable product" mainly, while you can get some of these news app subscriptions for 10 bucks and you get every stuff tons of stuff)