IME companies hire an ethics team to say they have an ethics team. The ethics team has no sway, no influence, and will never be able to move the business. They will try, and they will make reasonable recommendations, but the company will say, "that costs money..." and not take them.

> Before her role at OpenAI, which she started last August, she was the Chief Ethicist at Meta from November 2021 to August 2025.

Sounds like perfect credentials.

> The departure was first reported by the Financial Times [...] According to Business Insider, OpenAI has reorganised its safety, product and research teams numerous times [...] Chloé told IE Insights, a social media channel of the Spanish IE University, in March [...] A June article from The Economist highlights that [...]

Not a single link to any of those. That's just rude.

The article has no detail that might serve to explain her reasoning for leaving, but does note that she left after the HuggingFace hacking incident. The implication could be that model alignment is not being taken seriously, sure. But it could just as likely be that there was collusion between HuggingFace and OpenAI and that the incident was orchestrated as a publicity stunt.

I want to clarify that I am not doubting the cybersecurity capabilities of frontier models-- I have no reason to believe that the hack itself was not carried out by the model. But the companies' use of LARPing language in describing the incident, granting agency to the models in their phrasing definitely does raise suspicion on my end, particularly in light of their track record of releasing models which have been 'too dangerous to release' for years now.

> The kinds of questions that AI ethics brings up, are the same kinds of questions that people have been asking for centuries - Chloé Bakalar, former AI Ethics Lead at OpenAI

This might actually be the reason they pushed her out. OpenAI and Anthropic base their whole business plan and philosophy on the idea that LLMs are a unique technology to the point they can cause infinite harm or benefit to humanity depending on who controls them, so the only rational choice is to invest all your resources in getting to ASI first so you can tell it to stop any other attempts. Linking AI to old questions defeats that idea because it exposes AI as not so unique.

The other more likely option is she was asking uncomfortable questions, either about the social impact of building AI controlled by a for-profit entity or about the possibility that AI systems are conscious.

In this article: no explanation of why she left.

Lol, Sam Altman has had an ethics team this whole time?

Her typical day: "No Sam, you can't just publicly screw over everyone and get rid of all the jobs, the peasants care about that sort of thing and if they get angry enough we'll have real problems. No we can't just kill them all, why would you suggest that?"

Sometimes it feels like hiring ethics folks is almost all downside for companies. I genuinely don’t understand why they keep doing it.

It seems like the pattern is almost always the same: the ethics team exists quietly in the background, and the only time anyone hears about them is when they either publicly leave the company or start a campaign against it.

So what exactly is the business case? Is it actually worth maintaining an ethics function just to be able to say you have one, when the only time it becomes visible is when it goes against the company publicly? And if this outcome is so predictable, why do companies keep hiring these people in the first place?

Probably because they are now, after the most recent tender, post-economic.

She probably made a calculation for how much she could be put up with vs. the pay.

Every OpenAI news cycle the board members who were unceremoniously dumped in the wake of trying to fire Sam prior to the transition to a “for profit” company seem to be proven right.

> In recent times, Johannes Heidecke, Head of OpenAI's Safety Systems team, also left the company – as did OpenAI’s Chief Futurist Joshua Achiam.

It's OK though, they don't need an ethics team because everyone at OpenAI is ethical:

> “AI ethics doesn’t live with one owner or team at OpenAI and ethical considerations are deeply embedded into the model-building process driven by a number of teams across research."

So she previously worked in Meta, then OpenAI, I guess the next reasonable choice for her would be Antropic

I've never worked at a company with an "ethics" employee. It seems odd. Can someone explain what the point is?

> She has held a variety of academic positions at Temple University, Princeton, and the University of Pennsylvania – where she completed her PhD in Political Science and Government. Her Dissertation was titled “Small Talk: The Socialities of Speech in Liberal Democratic Life.”

This doesn't even feel relevant to ethics. It's adjacent, but like... I guess I'd expect a moral philosophy degree? Maybe even mathematics in there?

I find the position odd. Curious to hear what these people do and how you choose who to hire.

Active discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49257160

Is ethics the same thing as alignment in this case?

Look , look! We hired a Head Of Ethics!

Head Of Ethics comes in, looks at what is really going on behind the curtains...

Head Of Ethics scrams out of there as fast as they can.

I have the impression that these positions are often there for publicity reasons and the people don’t have real power, in the end business interest will override most ethics concerns. Guess that can be frustrating, also she probably earned enough to have a comfortable life even if she never works again so she might have figured that there’s something else she can do with her life instead of being a figurehead for a bunch of dickheads.

Just a guess, but probably the idea that AI and ethics don't mix might have crystallized into action?

Because she already made enough money to FIRE..

Because it has to be a horrible job over there

The point that such a position even existed shows how bad there ethic is

[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49257160

lol, head of ethics at OpenAI? what a spurious role, I wish I could get in on the grift

A poli-sci major...who was an "ethicist" at Meta...

I'm having a hard time deciding what part of this is the most ridiculous. Contenders include:

- A political Science major lecturing on ethics.

- Meta and ethics in the same paragraph.

- A company who's CEO has credibly threatened (publicly) the livlihoods of hundreds of millions of people globally so much as paying lip service to ethics as a concept.

- Any news outlet feigning credulity hard enough to deadpan reporting on any of this.

Is it possible to roll one's eyes hard enough to injure oneself?

I mean clearly she was doing a bad job. I’m shocked this was even a position there.

AI labs are really good at disingenuousnessmaxxing

Strategically the best ethic czar one can hire for a company is the one that doesn't believe in this fluffy, arbitrary definition of ethics.

100% of the time, ethics department attracts activists, which is 100% trouble for the company in the future.

Because knowledge about ethics, in a human, is 1% of what knowledge about ethics an LLM has. So unless this person is vibe coder, there is probably no reason to have her work there.

Yesterday I came up with an idea that I sent to some researchers at the different AI labs via email: Rather than train the model on one score, track two scores. The first score is the Short-term-objective-score (STOS) and the other, more important one, is the EAOS Ethically-aligned-outcome-score. Every trajectory can be evaluated on whether or not it has a high enough EAOS to be considered acceptable. If the model does some task and has a very high STOS but very low EAOS, like modifying game code to win at a game rather than playing by the rules, it is unacceptable. Models going forward must all have an ethics evaluation in tandem with objectives evaluation, and only when the ethics value is high enough should actions be considered successes.